These are NXC's planned timetable changes.
PD0001111/139
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51
BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between Willenhall and Wood End given service number 21/21S
effective from 03-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/143
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51
BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between Bedworth and Coventry City Centre given service number
20/20A/20E effective from 03-Jan-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/133
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51
BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between City, Pool Meadow and Leamington Spa given service number
11/11U/12X effective from 03-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Maybe not specificly relevant but a bus shelter is going to be (re-)installed opposite the old fire station assumedly for Wood End service 21 and ease bus congestion along Hales St.
Presume the change of route 21 relates to reopening of Corporation Street and returning to its previous line of route through the city centre.
Service 11 appears to have a Sunday Timetable change. http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/blog/archives/alerts/bus-timetable-changes-4-january-2016
Quote from: JoNi on November 21, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
Presume the change of route 21 relates to reopening of Corporation Street and returning to its previous line of route through the city centre.
I can't see the route change being just for that as there isn't any variations for all the other diverted Corporation St routes.
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 27, 2015, 07:42:13 PM
Service 11 appears to have a Sunday Timetable change.
There's still potential for route/timetable changes on 11U/12X which WarksCC has no obligation to mention.
From 3rd January:
11, 11U & 12X have revised Sunday Timetable.
20, 20A, 20E Minor Timetable Changes Monday - Saturday
21, 21S Minor Timetable Changes Monday - Friday
Also, the services that were diverted away from Upper Wells Street have gone back to their normal route.
Services currently going via New Union Street rather than Corporation Street continue to go via New Union Street heading towards Pool Meadow.
Information from Network West Midlands: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/indexservicechanges.aspx
Leaving "eastbound" buses going via Council House will result in them remaining caught up in congestion caused by large numbers of students using zebra crossings on this route. I'd expected this inconvenience was behind us for customers and staff!
The idea of faster bus travel promoted by Primelines really is dead.
21 National Express Coventry Willenhall- Wood End via Coventry Resumption of inbound route via Upper Well Street inbound following completion of roadworks
21S National Express Coventry Cardinal Wiseman Sch - Wood End via Riley Square Resumption of inbound route via Upper Well Street inbound following completion of roadworks
21 never used upper well street if this is to be a route change fine but to say resumption is wrong
20/A/E MF same service headways with two less buses.
20 self contained and 20A/E self contained, goodbye service resilience.
21 daytime MF service reduced to every 9/10 minutes saving one daytime bus.
Quote from: JoNi on December 10, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
20/A/E MF same service headways with two less buses.
20 self contained and 20A/E self contained, goodbye service resilience.
21 daytime MF service reduced to every 9/10 minutes saving one daytime bus.
Won't they have to remove the branding stating Every 8 Minutes then? As this would presumably a breach of Advertising.
this is bad to reduce two busses on the 20 means reduced running timew its already tight as it is
Quote from: Twi on December 10, 2015, 11:47:28 AM
21 National Express Coventry Willenhall- Wood End via Coventry Resumption of inbound route via Upper Well Street inbound following completion of roadworks
21S National Express Coventry Cardinal Wiseman Sch - Wood End via Riley Square Resumption of inbound route via Upper Well Street inbound following completion of roadworks
21 never used upper well street if this is to be a route change fine but to say resumption is wrong
So it should return to this then? :
Route 21 towards Wood End:
Remembrance Road, St. James' Lane, London Road, Daventry Road, Queen Isabel's Avenue, Mile Lane, New Union Street, Warwick Road, Greyfriars Road, Queen Victoria Road, Corporation Street, Hales Street, White Street, Bird Street, Stoney Stanton Road, Bell Green Road, Old Church Road, Henley Road, Roseberry Avenue, Almond Tree Avenue, Hillmorton Road.
Route 21 towards Willenhall:
Hillmorton Road, Almond Tree Avenue, Roseberry Avenue, Henley Road, Old Church Road, Bell Green Road, Stoney Stanton Road, Swanswell Street, White Street, Hales Street, Trinity Street, Ironmonger Row, The Burges, Corporation Street, Queen Victoria Road, Greyfriars Road, Warwick Road, New Union Street, Mile Lane, Queen Isabel's Avenue, Daventry Road, London Road, St. James' Lane, Robin Hood Road, Remembrance Road.
Not quite Upper Well St - but pretty-close to it.
The new 21 timetable on Traveline suggests the service will maintain the current diversion route via Council House on journeys towards Wood End, this would be a reason for it's route amendment on Vosa, it also ties in with my previous suggestion of the City timing point moving to a new shelter opposite the Old Fire Station which I now know is due to be installed in the second week of January.
Signage in Corporation Street suggests the carriageway works will be completed on 20th Dec, a new stop post is now installed outside Study Inn (near Tudor Rose), a shelter seemingly not possible due to kerb line being closer to building however adequate shelter underneath building I suppose.
Still anyone's guess when the bus routes will revert, could be next week or could be held back until 3rd Jan (Network stability date).
Quote from: Twi on December 10, 2015, 03:38:49 PM
this is bad to reduce two buses on the 20 means reduced running time its already tight as it is
Quote from: JoNi on December 10, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
20/A/E MF same service headways with two less buses.
Only one bus has been taken off the Foleshill Road....
Current common hour cycle is 734 mins run time + 106 mins slack = 840 mins or 14 hours/bus.
Revised common hour cycle is 734 mins run time + 46 mins slack = 780 mins or 13 hours/bus.
Quote from: JPC on December 11, 2015, 05:33:47 PM
The new 21 timetable on Traveline suggests the service will maintain the current diversion route via Council House on journeys towards Wood End, this would be a reason for it's route amendment on Vosa, it also ties in with my previous suggestion of the City timing point moving to a new shelter opposite the Old Fire Station which I now know is due to be installed in the second week of January.
Signage in Corporation Street suggests the carriageway works will be completed on 20th Dec, a new stop post is now installed outside Study Inn (near Tudor Rose), a shelter seemingly not possible due to kerb line being closer to building however adequate shelter underneath building I suppose.
Still anyone's guess when the bus routes will revert, could be next week or could be held back until 3rd Jan (Network stability date).
There's been a shelter at that spot for some years now - although going back many years that wasn't the case - just a pole I presume. The inbound Corporation St bus stop opposite the Co-op (by the Jaguar pub) seems to have been re-positioned closer to the pub entrance, is there any reason for that? Seems fine where it was!
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 12, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
There's been a shelter at that spot for some years now - although going back many years that wasn't the case - just a pole I presume. The inbound Corporation St bus stop opposite the Co-op (by the Jaguar pub) seems to have been re-positioned closer to the pub entrance, is there any reason for that? Seems fine where it was!
Yeah, vaguely remember getting off the 900 here in the mid-nineties when the stop was listed in the timetable as Equity & Law house, A Centro green post springs to mind.
I suppose the Jaguar stop was moved/extended because two buses here resulted in the Hill Street junction being blocked, the end bit of the pavement which juts out came in handy though whenever another bus was in the bay.
Quote from: JPC on December 12, 2015, 05:43:43 PM
Yeah, vaguely remember getting off the 900 here in the mid-nineties when the stop was listed in the timetable as Equity & Law house, A Centro green post springs to mind.
I suppose the Jaguar stop was moved/extended because two buses here resulted in the Hill Street junction being blocked, the end bit of the pavement which juts out came in handy though whenever another bus was in the bay.
For a while in the early/mid 2000's, Centro installed, somewhat unexpectedly, one [possibly two] green old-style Abacus cantilever shelters at this location. I walked past yesterday in the rain - clearance is tight, but one cantilever shelter probably could be squeezed in. There has certainly been, in the last 4-5 years, at lot of changes to the city-centre bus stops and shelters. Some removed and re-installed at the same location - some in a different location. I can't recall so much change taking place!
Looking at all stops new 21 timetable towards Wood End it imply it proceeds via Fairfax Street, Trinity Street, stopping at Primark, Burges stopping by Transport Museum then onward to Wood End as before!!
Quote from: JoNi on December 13, 2015, 02:51:58 PM
Looking at all stops new 21 timetable towards it imply it proceeds via Fairfax Street, Trinity Street, stopping at Primark, Burges stopping by Transport Museum then onward to Wood End as before!!
I was referring to the permanent route (before Corporation Street roadworks) which is now being revised in the Wood End direction.
It seems the future timetable on Traveline was updated/corrected around the time of my post, at end of business Friday, to include Primark and Transport Museum loop. The Primark stop I imagine will be a loading stop as I expect many people will want to board there, the future stop opposite Old Fire Station isn't on the timetable database yet but it's still possible the service moves there from Transport museum about two weeks afterwards - wait and see what happens.
The only other possibilities for the new bus stop would be service 6/6A, which has no revisions planned, or as an additional stop on Diamond's X30/31, unlikely to be exclusively this.
Some more short notice Route and Timetable revisions have appeared on Vosa today.... 6/6A, 10, 18/18A/19 plus the 21 again. All have Corporation St in common but that may not be relevant.
So it's now possible the new shelter opposite OFS is for 6/6A for the benefit of assisting timekeeping not to mention saving some bus station departure charges. ;D
Quote from: JPC on December 16, 2015, 10:44:49 PM
Some more short notice Route and Timetable revisions have appeared on Vosa today.... 6/6A, 10, 18/18A/19 plus the 21 again. All have Corporation St in common but that may not be relevant.
So it's now possible the new shelter opposite OFS is for 6/6A for the benefit of assisting timekeeping not to mention saving some bus station departure charges. ;D
The 4 & 10 could be separated in Pool Meadow possibly then as the 10 is good at following the 4 in as it seems to like running late. Particularly on Sunday's.
(Probably wishful thinking though!)
http://nxbus.co.uk/coventry/news/city-centre-route-changes-from-3rd-january-2016
NXC confirms the routes which revert back to using Corporation Street, basically as they were before the roadworks except the 8,8A,9,9A which is to remain as current, I wonder why? because there ought to be a link from Rail Station Interchange to the Corporation Street area, so wrong how there is, if you count all operators, around 23 buses per hour and all seemingly continue to run via Council House.
Changes for 18,18A,19 are not mentioned/missing/forgotten about.
Quote from: JPC on December 18, 2015, 03:46:22 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/coventry/news/city-centre-route-changes-from-3rd-january-2016
NXC confirms the routes which revert back to using Corporation Street, basically as they were before the roadworks except the 8,8A,9,9A which is to remain as current, I wonder why? because there ought to be a link from Rail Station Interchange to the Corporation Street area, so wrong how there is, if you count all operators, around 23 buses per hour and all seemingly continue to run via Council House.
Changes for 18,18A,19 are not mentioned/missing/forgotten about.
Yep, its clear the 8/8A/9/9A will run via Little Park Street, Earl St etc in the 'from Rail Station and towards Walsgrave' direction. All the other services have reverted back to their original routings. Not exactly sure of the reason.
Quick question re. the link road at Millennium Place; do all services from the Corporation St/Bishop St/Hales St area using Pool Meadow take a left turn there, go past the Old Fire station then enter the bus station via the 'new' entrance? I've lost track what services use which entrance. On departure do services return the same way? (presumably services intending to use Fairfax St in a roughly easterly direction use the Priory St exit instead?)
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 18, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
Yep, its clear the 8/8A/9/9A will run via Little Park Street, Earl St etc in the 'from Rail Station and towards Walsgrave' direction. All the other services have reverted back to their original routings. Not exactly sure of the reason.
Quick question re. the link road at Millennium Place; do all services from the Corporation St/Bishop St/Hales St area using Pool Meadow take a left turn there, go past the Old Fire station then enter the bus station via the 'new' entrance? I've lost track what services use which entrance. On departure do services return the same way? (presumably services intending to use Fairfax St in a roughly easterly direction use the Priory St exit instead?)
@paulb1973 Most Buses go whichever way around the Bus Station they like. The drivers generally choose as when I stay on the 10 to Eastern Green, sometimes it leaves via Gala Bingo and other times past the fire station. This has been going on during the Milllenium Place closure and well before that as well! It appears to currently be a choice for the driver on how they go into and out of Pool Meadow.
Quote from: Adam 404 on December 19, 2015, 07:44:19 AM
@paulb1973 Most Buses go whichever way around the Bus Station they like. The drivers generally choose as when I stay on the 10 to Eastern Green, sometimes it leaves via Gala Bingo and other times past the fire station. This has been going on during the Milllenium Place closure and well before that as well! It appears to currently be a choice for the driver on how they go into and out of Pool Meadow.
The 10 to Eastern Green departure around 7.30pm last night (19th Dec) left via the newer entrance. It does seem most enter Pool Meadow using that particular way as well. Zooming in on the bus route maps on the NXC website doesn't help (when looking for the exact route details of services using the bus station) its just a bit vague and shows the inbound/outbound bus stops. In fact the Traveline/Centro websites are a bit better with their red & blue lines denoting the service routes.
I note all the University of Warwick/Leamington Spa services using Cox St, Jordan Well, Earl St and Little Park St etc - but I did spot a 12X express service joining the Ring Road at the Swanswell junction heading to, presumably, the Rail Station junction missing out the roads listed. Would that have been a one-off or diverting around road works?
Funny how there was a 21 timetable dated 3.1.2016 on Traveline but now removed,
Fair enough minds have been changed and seemingly the 21 back through Corporation Street in favour of the similar frequency 8,8a,9,9a (in that direction).
Since the 2012 bus review I've heard stories about the Council complaining about a lack of buses around the Council House area (irony maybe) or perhaps too many buses along Corporation St, but this seems to further imply that.
DeCourcey's 85/585 will revert through Corporation St so I suppose they will lift the confused Concs heading for Walsgrave.
Incidentally CCC says buses will start using the Rail Station Interchange on 3rd Jan, at last.
The Stands at the Rail Station in Coventry have been decided. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/coventry/coventry.aspx
Buses serving ER1
Services 8/8A to Walsgrave Business Park via Coventry City Centre and Pool Meadow bus station. Services 9/9A to University Hospital via Coventry City Centre and Pool Meadow bus station. Services 85/585 to University Hospital/Rugby via Coventry City Centre and Pool Meadow bus station.
Buses serving ER2
Service 1 to Brade Drive via City Centre and University Hospital.
Service 11/11U/12X to Coventry City Centre.
Service W1A to University of Warwick. Service X30/X31 to Ansty Park.
Buses serving ER3
Service 1 to Chapelfields.
Services 11/11U/12X to Leamington Spa via Warwick University.
Service W1C to University of Warwick.
Buses serving ER4
Services 8/8A from Coventry City Centre will terminate here.
Services 9/9A to Finham.
Services 85/585 from Coventry City Centre will terminate here