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Title: New second hand buses........
Post by: tank90 on March 27, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
Ok if I thought First couldn't get any more bonkers I've been proven wrong yet again.
They have bought 3 Connex Jersey Dart SLF Caetano Nimbus busese to replace some of there older buses in service, trouble is how wide are they and secondly they arent going to be that long either.
And people in Redditch are moaning, Crumbs think of what silly plans they would have come up with if they hadn't sold RH and KR off.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on March 27, 2013, 11:30:35 PM
It has been suggested elsewhere that First Group may have acquired the entire batch of 21

If you scroll down the web page below, there are pictures of them being loaded on to a cargo ship

http://www.solentstevedores.co.uk/news.php
http://www.solentstevedores.co.uk/photo_gallery.php
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: sconehead85 on March 28, 2013, 01:29:31 AM
Id like to know the fleetnumbers!  I wish they'd buy 30 or so LF deckers to displace Volvo Olympians, which in turn would clear out the last Leyland Olympians, Volvo Citybuses and Dennis Arrows!

sconehead85
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on March 28, 2013, 01:43:05 AM
Quote from: sconehead85 on March 28, 2013, 01:29:31 AM
Id like to know the fleetnumbers!  I wish they'd buy 30 or so LF deckers to displace Volvo Olympians, which in turn would clear out the last Leyland Olympians, Volvo Citybuses and Dennis Arrows!

sconehead85

The only way First could buy LF deckers in that quantity would be to buy ex London deckers from one of leasing agents, there appear to be growing numbers of 52/53 plate deckers no for sale
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: sconehead85 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:31 PM
I wonder if these are intended to replace the 50/51/52xxx Mercedes-Benz midibuses?

sconehead85
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on March 30, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: sconehead85 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:31 PM
I wonder if these are intended to replace the 50/51/52xxx Mercedes-Benz midibuses?

sconehead85

Not sure, its been suggested a few are going to Wyvern @ WR to replace the remaining early low floor Darts that are non Diptac
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: Cedric on March 30, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 30, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: sconehead85 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:31 PM
I wonder if these are intended to replace the 50/51/52xxx Mercedes-Benz midibuses?

sconehead85

Not sure, its been suggested a few are going to Wyvern @ WR to replace the remaining early low floor Darts that are non Diptac
see thread newish dart on midland red.net
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: Tony on April 15, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
One that nearly caught me out this afternoon is a new arrival at Worcester, Trident 33042 (LN51 DWG); registration is so similar to 33043 already there (LN51 DVG).

A photo of 33042 will be on the main site soon
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: tank90 on May 23, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Two of the six ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43869/71 branded for Worcester. Tho I do wonder if they are still limited to 30 MPH.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: KevinBendall on May 31, 2013, 07:27:59 PM
Two more of the ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43870/43874.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: Rob H on May 31, 2013, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: tank90 on May 23, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Two of the six ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43869/71 branded for Worcester. Tho I do wonder if they are still limited to 30 MPH.

Quote from: KevinBendall on May 31, 2013, 07:27:59 PM
Two more of the ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43870/43874.

Those ex Jersey Buses are Great, Nice Runners well I'm talking 2005/2006/2007 when I last rode on them
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: lrew120585 on May 31, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: tank90 on May 23, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Two of the six ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43869/71 branded for Worcester. Tho I do wonder if they are still limited to 30 MPH.

In a word, no. The limiters have now been reconfigured and they do 50mph
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: tank90 on June 01, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
Quote from: lrew120585 on May 31, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: tank90 on May 23, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
Two of the six ex jersey darts are in Worcester 43869/71 branded for Worcester. Tho I do wonder if they are still limited to 30 MPH.

In a word, no. The limiters have now been reconfigured and they do 50mph
Oh sounds like that could be fun for some of the routes out of Worcester as I'm going to guess they will find there way round even if its just for a laugh lol
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: sconehead85 on June 01, 2013, 01:52:53 AM
The ex Jersey Darts are 43854-75.

sconehead85

Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: Bob on July 27, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
Take it first arent buying many or any new buses for Worcester/Potteries then? Id dread to think what the average PMT fleet age is lol. Prior to a few solos recently I think the newest buses were the 06 omnicitys on the 101?
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on July 27, 2013, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: bob on July 27, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
Take it first arent buying many or any new buses for Worcester/Potteries then? Id dread to think what the average PMT fleet age is lol. Prior to a few solos recently I think the newest buses were the 06 omnicitys on the 101?

Not heard of any new buses destined for either Worcester/Potteries, it looks as though they will get second-hand or newer cascades only. The newest buses delivered to Potteries new are the 06 Omnicity's
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: Bob on July 27, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
Thats pretty poor really to be fair, looking at the fleet list there looks like there are loads of old scanias and a number of ageing darts. Id have thought pmt would be quite a profitable operation
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: John on July 27, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

What will the Centro's replace at Leicester if they are to cascade there?
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: PM on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: PM on July 27, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/

Not PJ59JPT is the short answer  :P
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on July 27, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/

Not PJ59JPT is the short answer  :P

Fair play, 1 - 0 to you, didn't notice the typo on the original reg  ;)

Ensign July sales log has is as PT59JPT not sure where its sister is ST59JPT? I may still be with JPT?

Volvo B7RLE's PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300's PT59JPT
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: PM on July 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/

Not PJ59JPT is the short answer  :P

Fair play, 1 - 0 to you, didn't notice the typo on the original reg  ;)

Ensign July sales log has is as PT59JPT not sure where its sister is ST59JPT? I may still be with JPT?

Volvo B7RLE's PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300's PT59JPT
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.

Sorry Winston didnt mean to be short but out of interest, where is this ensign sales log as i have heard it mentioned before and never found it and does anyone else find the ensignbus website useless-it doesnt list most of the stuff they have acquired and is for sale so buses can be sold that were never on the website or in the route one adverts? just interested as to access the sales log of the uk's biggest dealer would be really useful.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: winston on July 27, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/

Not PJ59JPT is the short answer  :P

Fair play, 1 - 0 to you, didn't notice the typo on the original reg  ;)

Ensign July sales log has is as PT59JPT not sure where its sister is ST59JPT? I may still be with JPT?

Volvo B7RLE's PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300's PT59JPT
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.

Sorry Winston didnt mean to be short but out of interest, where is this ensign sales log as i have heard it mentioned before and never found it and does anyone else find the ensignbus website useless-it doesnt list most of the stuff they have acquired and is for sale so buses can be sold that were never on the website or in the route one adverts? just interested as to access the sales log of the uk's biggest dealer would be really useful.

It's fine, I was being cocky & it backfired as I'd got a typo on the reg. So I'm happy to hold my hand up when I'm wrong.....

Ross from Ensign posts a log of vehicles in/out every month & posts it on a number of Yahoo Bus Groups (below is the latest July log)

Hello All
Â
Ensign in July as follows:
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VEHICLES IN.
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From Aintree Coaches : Olympian N421JBV.
Â
From Arriva Southern Counties: Dart P209LKJ  Olympians M920 PKN   P609CAYÂ
P933 MKL .
Â
From Anglian Bus : Scania YN03 WRP .
Â
From Transdev York : Primo YX60DWW.
Â
From Brighton and Hove : Tridents W832 / 835 / 837 / 838 / 839 / 840NNJ
Â
From Stagecoach Gloucester: Darts W501VDD  X502 / 503ADF.
Â
From Chambers Coaches : Olympians P901RYO /  R989KAR
Â
From Stephensons Coaches : DAF SB220’s MK52XNN / XNR .
Â
From Willowshay Ltd : Darts W921 / 937JNF  RL51CXB / CXC /
CXD  GX04AZA   MAN ’s
AE06VPY / VPZ  RX53LNH / LFH  MM53BLU  Olympian R627MNU.
Â
From Kent CC : Enviro 200’s KX57AAO  SF07KCC.
Â
From Carters Coaches : Darts P455DCW  /  LT02ZDGÂ
/  SN51SXU
Â
From London United: Darts SN51SXG / SXH / SXJ.
Â
From Whippet Coaches : Olympians K662 UNH
/  G339KKW.
Â
From Stagecoach NE : Olympians R640 / 832 / 837 /
838OVN
Â
VEHICLES OUT.
Â
Solo YJ56WUO : Berwyn Coaches, Caernarfon.
Â
Volvo B10M’s N206TDU / R340HFS / R331HFS : MC
Tractors for scrap.
Â
Dart P209LKJ : Buglers Coaches, Bristol.
Â
Olympian N421JBV : Patrick Mouzon, Lyndhurst.
Â
Olympian R144EVX   DAF SB220 W472MKU : Mike
Lawrenson, Preston.
Â
Volvo B7R GN55 FDO
: Farleigh Coaches, Chatham, Kent.
Â
Solo YJ56WUL : NippyBus, Martock.
Â
Solo YJ06FYU : CountryBus, Heathfield.
Â
Olympian R257LGH : Brian Jones Coaches, Gravesend.
Â
Volvo B7R’s GN55FDM  YX60BZS Â
Enviro 200 FN57EWV   Darts RL51CXB / CXC / CXD  MAN ’s AE06VPY / VPZ :
Croydon Coaches.
Â
Darts X962VAP / LT02ZDG / ZDP Â / X502ADF :
Galleon , Nazeing, Essex.
Â
Scania’s YN56NNA / YN03WRF / WRG : Grant
Palmer, Dunstable.
Â
Primo YX60DWW : Associated Coach Sales, Palmerston,
New Zealand.
Â
Tridents LR02 BBV
/ BCX  Y438NHK : Renown Coaches, Bexhill.
Â
Enviro 300’s PO54NNM  MX55 NWL : Rotala Group.
Â
Tridents T138 / 144CLO : Picture Vehicle Co,
Pinewood.
Â
Solo YJ58PGY : ASD
Coaches, Strood, Kent.
Â
Volvo B7RLE’s PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300’s PT59JPTÂ
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.
Â
Solo’s MX55WCZ  YJ06YRD / YRE : Scarlet
Band, County Durham.
Â
Tridents PJ02PZN / PZM : Edwards Coaches, Llantwit
Fardre.
Â
Volvo B7TL’s Y172 / 202NLK : Amber Coaches,
Rayleigh, Essex.
Â
Olympians R640 / 832 / 837 / 840OVN : Golden Eagle
coaches, Salsburgh.
Â
Volvo B7TL’s Y173 / 174NLK : Whippet Coaches,
Fenstanton, Cambs.
Â
Tridents X322 / 327 / 329 / 334 / 335 / 336 / 337 /
341 / 342HLL : Imperial Coaches, Slough.
Â
Darts SN51SXH / SXJ : New Adventure Travel, Cardiff.
Â
That’s it.
Â
Ross.
Title: Re: New second hand buses........
Post by: PM on July 27, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 27, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Courtesy of midlandred.net (for none members)

3 second-hand ex Premiere Travel buses have arrived at First Worcester in the shape of MX10DXU (E200), FN08AZZ & PJ59JPT (Both E300's). They are all still in their previous owners colours. These along with others are thought to be to allow the ex Veolia B7RLE/Plaxton Centro's 66691-9 to cascade to Leicester (has been suggested)

You might mean ST59JPT as the bus that is listed last doesnt exist

What's this then  :P
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/5759088319/

Not PJ59JPT is the short answer  :P

Fair play, 1 - 0 to you, didn't notice the typo on the original reg  ;)

Ensign July sales log has is as PT59JPT not sure where its sister is ST59JPT? I may still be with JPT?

Volvo B7RLE's PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300's PT59JPT
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.

Sorry Winston didnt mean to be short but out of interest, where is this ensign sales log as i have heard it mentioned before and never found it and does anyone else find the ensignbus website useless-it doesnt list most of the stuff they have acquired and is for sale so buses can be sold that were never on the website or in the route one adverts? just interested as to access the sales log of the uk's biggest dealer would be really useful.

It's fine, I was being cocky & it backfired as I'd got a typo on the reg. So I'm happy to hold my hand up when I'm wrong.....

Ross from Ensign posts a log of vehicles in/out every month & posts it on a number of Yahoo Bus Groups (below is the latest July log)

Hello All
Â
Ensign in July as follows:
Â
VEHICLES IN.
Â
From Aintree Coaches : Olympian N421JBV.
Â
From Arriva Southern Counties: Dart P209LKJ  Olympians M920 PKN   P609CAYÂ
P933 MKL .
Â
From Anglian Bus : Scania YN03 WRP .
Â
From Transdev York : Primo YX60DWW.
Â
From Brighton and Hove : Tridents W832 / 835 / 837 / 838 / 839 / 840NNJ
Â
From Stagecoach Gloucester: Darts W501VDD  X502 / 503ADF.
Â
From Chambers Coaches : Olympians P901RYO /  R989KAR
Â
From Stephensons Coaches : DAF SB220’s MK52XNN / XNR .
Â
From Willowshay Ltd : Darts W921 / 937JNF  RL51CXB / CXC /
CXD  GX04AZA   MAN ’s
AE06VPY / VPZ  RX53LNH / LFH  MM53BLU  Olympian R627MNU.
Â
From Kent CC : Enviro 200’s KX57AAO  SF07KCC.
Â
From Carters Coaches : Darts P455DCW  /  LT02ZDGÂ
/  SN51SXU
Â
From London United: Darts SN51SXG / SXH / SXJ.
Â
From Whippet Coaches : Olympians K662 UNH
/  G339KKW.
Â
From Stagecoach NE : Olympians R640 / 832 / 837 /
838OVN
Â
VEHICLES OUT.
Â
Solo YJ56WUO : Berwyn Coaches, Caernarfon.
Â
Volvo B10M’s N206TDU / R340HFS / R331HFS : MC
Tractors for scrap.
Â
Dart P209LKJ : Buglers Coaches, Bristol.
Â
Olympian N421JBV : Patrick Mouzon, Lyndhurst.
Â
Olympian R144EVX   DAF SB220 W472MKU : Mike
Lawrenson, Preston.
Â
Volvo B7R GN55 FDO
: Farleigh Coaches, Chatham, Kent.
Â
Solo YJ56WUL : NippyBus, Martock.
Â
Solo YJ06FYU : CountryBus, Heathfield.
Â
Olympian R257LGH : Brian Jones Coaches, Gravesend.
Â
Volvo B7R’s GN55FDM  YX60BZS Â
Enviro 200 FN57EWV   Darts RL51CXB / CXC / CXD  MAN ’s AE06VPY / VPZ :
Croydon Coaches.
Â
Darts X962VAP / LT02ZDG / ZDP Â / X502ADF :
Galleon , Nazeing, Essex.
Â
Scania’s YN56NNA / YN03WRF / WRG : Grant
Palmer, Dunstable.
Â
Primo YX60DWW : Associated Coach Sales, Palmerston,
New Zealand.
Â
Tridents LR02 BBV
/ BCX  Y438NHK : Renown Coaches, Bexhill.
Â
Enviro 300’s PO54NNM  MX55 NWL : Rotala Group.
Â
Tridents T138 / 144CLO : Picture Vehicle Co,
Pinewood.
Â
Solo YJ58PGY : ASD
Coaches, Strood, Kent.
Â
Volvo B7RLE’s PL05 UBS
/ UBR   Enviro 200 MX10DXU  Enviro 300’s PT59JPTÂ
FN08 AZZ : FirstGroup.
Â
Solo’s MX55WCZ  YJ06YRD / YRE : Scarlet
Band, County Durham.
Â
Tridents PJ02PZN / PZM : Edwards Coaches, Llantwit
Fardre.
Â
Volvo B7TL’s Y172 / 202NLK : Amber Coaches,
Rayleigh, Essex.
Â
Olympians R640 / 832 / 837 / 840OVN : Golden Eagle
coaches, Salsburgh.
Â
Volvo B7TL’s Y173 / 174NLK : Whippet Coaches,
Fenstanton, Cambs.
Â
Tridents X322 / 327 / 329 / 334 / 335 / 336 / 337 /
341 / 342HLL : Imperial Coaches, Slough.
Â
Darts SN51SXH / SXJ : New Adventure Travel, Cardiff.
Â
That’s it.
Â
Ross.

Thanks for posting  :)