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Title: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on February 11, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
What's Stagecoach ordering this year?

Unconfirmed:

MIDLANDS

25 (E200 MMC?)s for GOLD 48 (Coventry-Leicester)
12ish (E400 MMC?)s for GOLD X4 (Milton Keynes-Peterborough)

EAST

xxx buses for Busway (St.Ives-Cambridge)
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ashley 60171 on March 10, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
Apparently this years order has been announced.

Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on March 10, 2017, 08:50:30 PM
Apparently this years order has been announced.

Can anyone confirm?
The announcement came out in Mid April last year, I would think that it would be the same this year probably?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ashley 60171 on March 10, 2017, 08:52:24 PM
The announcement came out in Mid April last year, I would think that it would be the same this year probably?

Talk on Facebook that Nuneaton are getting E200MMC's and Cumbria getting open top Volvo Gemini 3's.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ally on March 10, 2017, 09:49:48 PM
Talk on Facebook that Nuneaton are getting E200MMC's and Cumbria getting open top Volvo Gemini 3's.

Union Rep told me that an official bid was put in for 25 Gold spec single decks for Nuneaton route 48, but whether or not that has been accepted is yet to be announced.
Plans for transfers have been bounced around including 14 MAN E200s to Rugby, some of 36153-76 will be on 55/56/57 with others going off to Corby/Kettering - That is not confirmed though and is only hearsay, only the bid is official.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on March 11, 2017, 12:48:40 PM
Union Rep told me that an official bid was put in for 25 Gold spec single decks for Nuneaton route 48, but whether or not that has been accepted is yet to be announced.
Plans for transfers have been bounced around including 14 MAN E200s to Rugby, some of 36153-76 will be on 55/56/57 with others going off to Corby/Kettering - That is not confirmed though and is only hearsay, only the bid is official.

Where do these MANs come from?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ally on March 11, 2017, 01:27:14 PM
Where do these MANs come from?

Nuneaton, IF it all happens as above, the gold will displace the 60 plate E200s onto the all or most of the work currently covered by the MAN E200s which will go off to Rugby (and possibly elsewhere if all leave). There's already been the transfer of a 62 plate E200 and a Gold Solo out of Nuneaton just recently
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on March 11, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
Nuneaton, IF it all happens as above, the gold will displace the 60 plate E200s onto the all or most of the work currently covered by the MAN E200s which will go off to Rugby (and possibly elsewhere if all leave). There's already been the transfer of a 62 plate E200 and a Gold Solo out of Nuneaton just recently

Gold solo went to Northampton.  Where did the E200 go?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ally on March 11, 2017, 11:29:02 PM
Gold solo went to Northampton.  Where did the E200 go?

Leamington, 36759 is the one.
Also found out today that 36175 and 36176 have transferred to Gloucester
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on March 12, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
Just looked at my Stagecoach Midlands fleetlist-I don't have 36176 on mine.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on March 12, 2017, 12:23:31 PM
Just looked at my Stagecoach Midlands fleetlist-I don't have 36176 on mine.
36176 has been at Stagecoach Nuneaton since new. @markcf83
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on March 12, 2017, 02:41:52 PM
I left it out of my fleet list,inadvertently I'd add.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Tony on March 12, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
This is the list I have seen, not yet confirmed as 100%
Stagecoach 2017/18 order
10866 to 10881 for Cambridge
10882 to 10888 for Birkenhead
10889 to 10895 for Winchester
10896 to 10901 for Gainsborough
10902 to 10905 for Oxford
10906 to 10927 for Kilmarnock
13111 to 13117 for Arbroath
13801 to 13807 for Kendal
26141 to 26145 for Stockport
26146 to 26165 for Portsmouth
26166 to 26171 for Dunfermline
26172 to 26177 for Guildford
37451 to 37474 for Porth
37475 to 37480 for Barnsley
37481 to 37490 for Lincoln
37491 to 37515 for Nuneaton
37516 to 37524 for Guildford
15291 to 15294 for Fenstanton
15295 to 15305 for Preston
15306 to 15327 for Torquay
15328 to 15339 for Eastbourne
15340 to 15349 for Swindon
21311 to 21312 for Fenstanton
53401 to 53409 for Dunfermline
54351 to 54355 for Macduff
54356 to 54361 for Glenrothes
54362 to 54363 for Perth
54401 to 54403 for Chesterfield
54821 to 54825 for Inverness
54826 to 54834 for Bedford
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on March 12, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
So other than some for Nuneaton nothing for Midlands.    >:(
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on March 13, 2017, 04:20:42 PM
None for North East-unless there are more to follow on.....
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on March 20, 2017, 04:11:08 PM
Confirmation of the Lakes new open toppers
http://www.stevenknightmedia.com/fleet-news-ramblings/march-20th-2017-special-report
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on March 20, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
Confirmation of the Lakes new open toppers
http://www.stevenknightmedia.com/fleet-news-ramblings/march-20th-2017-special-report
Interesting of Stagecoach to order Geminis!
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on March 20, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
Interesting of Stagecoach to order Geminis!

Yes it is but there isn't much other choice for new open toppers apart from Volvo B5TL/MCV EvoSetis
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: bensweeney14 on March 20, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
Union Rep told me that an official bid was put in for 25 Gold spec single decks for Nuneaton route 48, but whether or not that has been accepted is yet to be announced.
Plans for transfers have been bounced around including 14 MAN E200s to Rugby, some of 36153-76 will be on 55/56/57 with others going off to Corby/Kettering - That is not confirmed though and is only hearsay, only the bid is official.

36175 and 36176 are in Chester!
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on March 20, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
36175 and 36176 are in Chester!
I thought that they were sent to Cheltenham?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Cheese on March 20, 2017, 08:11:44 PM
I thought that they were sent to Cheltenham?

36175 definitely is, was on the 12:30 departure on route 7 in Gloucester on Sunday lunchtime.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Nathan on April 13, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
A breakdown of types/quantities on order this year:

http://m.stagecoach.com/media/news-releases/2017/2017-04-13.aspx
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on April 13, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
A breakdown of types/quantities on order this year:

http://m.stagecoach.com/media/news-releases/2017/2017-04-13.aspx

Very interesting to see they are buying 18 Streetlites Micro Hybrids for Sheffield and good to see them buying the Scania E400s in quantity again after only 1 batch last year for Kent
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on April 13, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
Very interesting to see they are buying 18 Streetlites Micro Hybrids for Sheffield and good to see them buying the Scania E400s in quantity again after only 1 batch last year for Kent

The issue with Scania was down to the fans on the buses. The Streetlites are for use on service 1 as part of the Sheffield bus partnership-First already use them on that route.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on April 13, 2017, 04:50:38 PM
The issue with Scania was down to the fans on the buses. The Streetlites are for use on service 1 as part of the Sheffield bus partnership-First already use them on that route.

Did wonder why there was less Scanias and did think there would be a reason for it, thanks for the info @markcf83
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on April 13, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Very interesting to see they are buying 18 Streetlites Micro Hybrids for Sheffield and good to see them buying the Scania E400s in quantity again after only 1 batch last year for Kent

I thought exactly the same  @Dylanbusboy45 !  Does anyone know where the Levantes are for?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Tony on April 13, 2017, 06:33:20 PM
340 vehicles is not a lot at all

With a current fleet strength of over 9000 vehicles that figure each year would mean vehicle lives of around 25 years
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Cheese on April 13, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
I thought exactly the same  @Dylanbusboy45 !  Does anyone know where the Levantes are for?

Levantes for Chesterfield I believe.  Still two 60-plate Elites on National Express there so presume they are to replace those.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on April 13, 2017, 08:40:20 PM
The most recent Enviros for Manchester,Birkenhead and Gillmoss are also part of the 2017 order,just out of interest.....
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: bensweeney14 on April 14, 2017, 12:23:56 AM
Latest news..

The 25 MMC's for Nuneaton will not be gold but normal, due to the way the rotas work.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on April 14, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Latest news..

The 25 MMC's for Nuneaton will not be gold but normal, due to the way the rotas work.

WHAT?  I was really looking forward to Golds on 48!!!
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on April 14, 2017, 09:56:56 AM
WHAT?  I was really looking forward to Golds on 48!!!
Tbh, the new buses at Stagecoach come with leather seats, charger points and wifi anyway... Just in a different colour to gold! :)
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on April 14, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
340 vehicles is not a lot at all

With a current fleet strength of over 9000 vehicles that figure each year would mean vehicle lives of around 25 years

I seem to recall that last year's orders were over 450 in total,including over 250 double deckers. I'd be guessing they want to sweat out the assets a bit more this time.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Cheese on April 14, 2017, 01:08:29 PM
I seem to recall that last year's orders were over 450 in total,including over 250 double deckers. I'd be guessing they want to sweat out the assets a bit more this time.

And not having to replace non-DDA deckers, with all the Olympians and non-DDA Tridents now gone, probably means less new vehicles needed this year.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on April 14, 2017, 01:15:42 PM
Tbh, the new buses at Stagecoach come with leather seats, charger points and wifi anyway... Just in a different colour to gold! :)

So why not paint them gold?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: bensweeney14 on April 14, 2017, 11:24:36 PM
WHAT?  I was really looking forward to Golds on 48!!!

Because of the rotas. There are 2 route 48 rotas (4 day prime and 5 day prime) but other rotas such as the High Hours rota contains a lot of 48, night rota is half 48s. 4/5 day mixed rotas also have 48s on... it just wont work at all
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on April 15, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
Because of the rotas. There are 2 route 48 rotas (4 day prime and 5 day prime) but other rotas such as the High Hours rota contains a lot of 48, night rota is half 48s. 4/5 day mixed rotas also have 48s on... it just wont work at all

So you mean that 48 branded buses are used on non-48 routes?

In Northampton X46/7 branded buses are very regularly used on routes 16 and 51 and are just about the only buses used on 50.
At Kettering X4 branded buses are often used on route 50.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Ally on April 15, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
So you mean that 48 branded buses are used on non-48 routes?

In Northampton X46/7 branded buses are very regularly used on routes 16 and 51 and are just about the only buses used on 50.
At Kettering X4 branded buses are often used on route 50.

There's not much (if anything) that 48 buses aren't booked on at some point in the week, Ben is right about it not working. The engineering manager said a little while back that he doesn't like the idea of route branding (probably why Matrix got the chop)... There was talk at one point of branding going altogether at Nuneaton, it doesn't seem like that's the case anymore though
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: bensweeney14 on April 15, 2017, 07:47:04 PM
There's not much (if anything) that 48 buses aren't booked on at some point in the week, Ben is right about it not working. The engineering manager said a little while back that he doesn't like the idea of route branding (probably why Matrix got the chop)... There was talk at one point of branding going altogether at Nuneaton, it doesn't seem like that's the case anymore though

Look daily.. there are 7 buses required for the 10 yet there is 8 buses that are branded for the 10, so standard practise is to whack the spare 10 branded on the 5/5A or the 48, but I just dont understand why they couldnt keep it (36757) unbranded
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on September 08, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
Seems as if the rest of this years order are starting to be delivered now.
Seen some pics of one of Stockports new MMC200s at Bus Driver of the Year
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/36851957776/in/dateposted/

And just seen this pic of a new MMC200 for Portsmouth carrying some quite stylish branding in my opinion
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/36294793883/in/dateposted/
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: John on September 08, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
Seems as if the rest of this years order are starting to be delivered now.
Seen some pics of one of Stockports new MMC200s at Bus Driver of the Year
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/36851957776/in/dateposted/

That is a '16' plate.

You must mean this one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/37041080245/in/dateposted/
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on September 08, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
That is a '16' plate.

You must mean this one
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/37041080245/in/dateposted/

Yes I put the wrong link in. I have changed the link now  :)
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on September 16, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
Seems as if the rest of this years order are starting to be delivered now.
Seen some pics of one of Stockports new MMC200s at Bus Driver of the Year
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28011506@N04/36851957776/in/dateposted/

And just seen this pic of a new MMC200 for Portsmouth carrying some quite stylish branding in my opinion
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/36294793883/in/dateposted/

Stockports MMC200s are now in service. Noted 26141-144 in service on various routes today
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Dylanbusboy45 on October 03, 2017, 06:22:41 PM
A brand new Scania/Enviro 400 MMC (15306) has appeared at Graysons for Devon Hop 12 so these are now in process of delivery
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/37218765580
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on December 13, 2017, 05:13:42 PM
The Gold Enviros originally going to Nuneaton have begun to enter service at Porth on the 120/130 and in the process will clear out most of the oldest Darts in South Wales at Aberdare,Merthyr,Caerphilly and Blackwood. Highest I've seen was 26184.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on December 15, 2017, 09:11:57 PM
The Gold Enviros originally going to Nuneaton have begun to enter service at Porth on the 120/130 and in the process will clear out most of the oldest Darts in South Wales at Aberdare,Merthyr,Caerphilly and Blackwood. Highest I've seen was 26184.
SKM confirms the new fleet numbers.

"25 11.8m ADL Enviro 200MMC due for Nuneaton will now be 26202-26226."
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on December 15, 2017, 11:47:38 PM
Hadn't checked that. Thanks for confirming this.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on December 16, 2017, 09:28:17 AM
SKM:  The company has confirmed that the 25 11.8m ADL Enviro 200MMC due for Nuneaton will now be 26202-26226.

I thought they would be 37xxx E200s?
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: mark114 on January 04, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
These new buses 26178-26202-26226 is there a date when they will be delivered or in service on the 48 or whatever routes they are working on
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on January 04, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
These new buses 26178-26202-26226 is there a date when they will be delivered or in service on the 48 or whatever routes they are working on
They are supposed to be arriving in February for the 48 route last I read. @mark114
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: mark114 on January 04, 2018, 11:53:05 AM
Thank you so much Adam 404 info greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: mark114 on January 04, 2018, 12:13:00 PM
Hi Adam 404 which batch are actually been delivered in February 26178-26202 or 26202-26226 as I have just checked on there website it only stays 26202-226 on order no sign of 26178-202 thank you
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Cheese on January 04, 2018, 01:09:43 PM
Hi Adam 404 which batch are actually been delivered in February 26178-26202 or 26202-26226 as I have just checked on there website it only stays 26202-226 on order no sign of 26178-202 thank you

26178-202 are just entering service at Red & White, Gold 120/130 I think so definitely not Midlands ones. Think there might have been some confusion over fleet numbers a while back.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: mark114 on January 04, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
Thank you so much cheese for the up date yes totally agree with you when they were first on the fleet list web site they were down as 26178-202 but I checked earlier and the only ones were on order which are now on the web site are 26202-226 so yes it must of been some confusion regarding fleet numbers but thank you for your post greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on January 04, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
I can confirm the examples for South Wales are numbered 26178-201. The last of these are entering service this week and into next week.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: mark114 on January 04, 2018, 10:53:00 PM
Thank you so much for your post markcf83 at least now I know where goes where fleet numbers that is your info greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: markcf83 on January 05, 2018, 04:13:45 PM
No problem. I live in the area where they will be running anyway.
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: John on January 05, 2018, 04:13:57 PM
They are supposed to be arriving in February for the 48 route last I read. @mark114

The new buses can not be too far off as one of the current 48 Enviro200s has been de-branded. Imagine a few others may have been done too
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: Adam 404 on January 05, 2018, 05:45:48 PM
The new buses can not be too far off as one of the current 48 Enviro200s has been de-branded. Imagine a few others may have been done too
Like some of the Rugby Enviro 200's, some of the Nuneaton E200's have been in for a repaint. @John
Title: Re: Stagecoach 2017/2018 Orders
Post by: YN64AOG on January 06, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
Like some of the Rugby Enviro 200's, some of the Nuneaton E200's have been in for a repaint. @John

Where will the 48s be going after replacement?