Expect another afternoon/evening of hardly any trains running on London Midland again later. Who says Go-Ahead are one of the better transport groups?
Its due to staff sickness and leave. It could happen at national express or in any other company.
they never advertise for drivers or any staff there are loads out of work have checked
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Its due to staff sickness and leave. It could happen at national express or in any other company.
There is a lot more than that. LM are currently short of conductors and the staff that are there take a lot more sickness on friday and saturday night than any other time.others are refusing overtime to cover. To have about 70 cancellations on one day but none the previous 4, tells you it is a bit more than a few staff having a bit of sickness
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Its due to staff sickness and leave. It could happen at national express or in any other company.
There is a lot more than that. LM are currently short of conductors and the staff that are there take a lot more sickness on friday and saturday night than any other time.others are refusing overtime to cover. To have about 70 cancellations on one day but none the previous 4, tells you it is a bit more than a few staff having a bit of sickness
The issue is rota patterns. They rely on too much overtime working rather than scheduled working, meaning they are at the mercy of staff accepting overtime. This dates back to the Central Trains contracts which have never been renegotiated with the unions. I was delayed by 2 cancelled trains this afternoon, and then got into yet another argument with the staff at New Street who wanted to fine me for having no ticket, despite the ticket office at Gravelly Hill being closed, the Permit machine being removed months ago and the conductor on the train having no ticket equipment due to a flat battery pack. I wonder how many passengers did get fined unfairly yesterday who didn't kick up as much fuss as I did? They treat you like scum.
Then on the return journey we are all sat on a train waiting to leave when 10 minutes after we should have gone we are all turfed off and sent to the next platform along. Conveniently we were on platform 8 where there were no lifts for disabled passengers at the moment and had to go to 7, so there was a further 10 minute delay while they somehow repositioned a passenger.
Farce doesn't go far enough Tony, how much longer do LM have the franchise and what would they be fined for this lot?
Unsurprisingly they are advertising for Conductors on their website!
I had that row lol.when theirs no box office staff at sandwell,.and then the conductor dosent come down the train as supposed to, accept i got fined, however i am refusing to pay it, written to lm and awaiting their response
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
I had that row lol.when theirs no box office staff at sandwell,.and then the conductor dosent come down the train as supposed to, accept i got fined, however i am refusing to pay it, written to lm and awaiting their response
same here
though they havent fined it you get the same argument constantly at NS
The onus is on YOU to approach the guard if you require a ticket as it says in the NRCoC, not the other way round
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
I had that row lol.when theirs no box office staff at sandwell,.and then the conductor dosent come down the train as supposed to, accept i got fined, however i am refusing to pay it, written to lm and awaiting their response
Luckily for me the conductor was coming off the train anyway so I dragged him upstairs to ensure I didn't get another grilling and penalty. I am sick of it, they are purposely setting out to criminalise people. I dread to think how many genuine people end up in this net and don't know how to fight it and end up paying up. I have a script prepared for them now and there is one old battleaxe in particular who scatters for cover when she sees me. The situation at Gravelly Hill is a disgrace, Hardly ever open, no ticket or even permit machine and conductors who can't be arsed to come out of their cabs.
Yet strangely enough despite the staff shortages there are plenty of green suits available to strut around at New Street dishing penalty fares out.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
The onus is on YOU to approach the guard if you require a ticket as it says in the NRCoC, not the other way round
And how are you supposed to do that when it's a 2 unit train, you get on the rear train to find that he is on the front one? You sound like the jobsworths themselves...The NRCoC is no use to somebody who can't buy a ticket at the station, can't get to the conductor because he's on a different train and is only making a 10 minute journey. Rubbish.
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Perhaps you could tell that to London Midland who tell their conductors they do not have to come out of the back cab after a certain time in the afternoon, even on lines like mine which has unmanned stations. It is basically a free service between Walsall and Rugeley after 6pm. London Midland are gradually becoming one of the worst train operators of privatisation for customer service side of things.
Of course their twitter feed won the 'putting customers first' award so they think they are wonderful
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Perhaps you could tell that to London Midland who tell their conductors they do not have to come out of the back cab after a certain time in the afternoon, even on lines like mine which has unmanned stations. It is basically a free service between Walsall and Rugeley after 6pm. London Midland are gradually becoming one of the worst train operators of privatisation for customer service side of things.
Of course their twitter feed won the 'putting customers first' award so they think they are wonderful
They have to think about safety...or would you rather have a train cancelled due to a guard being injured by a potential yob?
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Perhaps you could tell that to London Midland who tell their conductors they do not have to come out of the back cab after a certain time in the afternoon, even on lines like mine which has unmanned stations. It is basically a free service between Walsall and Rugeley after 6pm. London Midland are gradually becoming one of the worst train operators of privatisation for customer service side of things.
Of course their twitter feed won the 'putting customers first' award so they think they are wonderful
They have to think about safety...or would you rather have a train cancelled due to a guard being injured by a potential yob?
If that's how they want it they should staff stations and install the correct machines. If they don't want to do that and the guards want to stay locked away then they should get rid of barriers and ticket checkers at the stations. They can't have it both ways, although they obviously think they can.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Perhaps you could tell that to London Midland who tell their conductors they do not have to come out of the back cab after a certain time in the afternoon, even on lines like mine which has unmanned stations. It is basically a free service between Walsall and Rugeley after 6pm. London Midland are gradually becoming one of the worst train operators of privatisation for customer service side of things.
Of course their twitter feed won the 'putting customers first' award so they think they are wonderful
They have to think about safety...or would you rather have a train cancelled due to a guard being injured by a potential yob?
Now you are talking complete crap. Every other train company's conductors come out in the evening. I have to check tickets in the evening. Are you saying all evening train services should be free?
All you need is good conflict avoidance training. If you walk along a train and someone says they are not paying you don't have to challenge them, you just report it or get assistance if you can. That is no excuse for not collecting fares from people willing to pay.
What is the conductor on the train for if he is not going to move from the back cab. Put a few mirrors up and make the line DOO like trains in the South East if all they are going to do is operate the doors, at least we wouldn't get this current farce because some someone on £26,000 a year was unavailable just to press a button to open the doors
train from
Cannock cancelled, ruined me & my lil brothers night out to brum. Crap service! why couldnt they run a replacement bus?
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
Now you are talking complete crap. Every other train company's conductors come out in the evening. I have to check tickets in the evening. Are you saying all evening train services should be free?
No I am not talking crap. I'm just saying obviously LM have made a descion on forgoing that bit of revenue over guards safety.
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
All you need is good conflict avoidance training. If you walk along a train and someone says they are not paying you don't have to challenge them, you just report it or get assistance if you can. That is no excuse for not collecting fares from people willing to pay.
What is the conductor on the train for if he is not going to move from the back cab. Put a few mirrors up and make the line DOO like trains in the South East if all they are going to do is operate the doors, at least we wouldn't get this current farce because some someone on £26,000 a year was unavailable just to press a button to open the doors
A Gaurds role in importance:
Most Important:
Ensuring that access/egress to the train is safe.
The safety of the train.
Plus other Safety Critical duties.
After they have done all their duties then Revenue can be considered.
DOO is not worth the hastle it is causing down South. I'd rather have a guard on a train I am on as at least if there was an emergancy then an additional man would be able to help. Thats a downfall of DOO!
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
Perhaps you could tell that to London Midland who tell their conductors they do not have to come out of the back cab after a certain time in the afternoon, even on lines like mine which has unmanned stations. It is basically a free service between Walsall and Rugeley after 6pm. London Midland are gradually becoming one of the worst train operators of privatisation for customer service side of things.
Of course their twitter feed won the 'putting customers first' award so they think they are wonderful
They have to think about safety...or would you rather have a train cancelled due to a guard being injured by a potential yob?
Now you are talking complete crap. Every other train company's conductors come out in the evening. I have to check tickets in the evening. Are you saying all evening train services should be free?
All you need is good conflict avoidance training. If you walk along a train and someone says they are not paying you don't have to challenge them, you just report it or get assistance if you can. That is no excuse for not collecting fares from people willing to pay.
What is the conductor on the train for if he is not going to move from the back cab. Put a few mirrors up and make the line DOO like trains in the South East if all they are going to do is operate the doors, at least we wouldn't get this current farce because some someone on £26,000 a year was unavailable just to press a button to open the doors
Couldn't put it better myself.
Quote from: bob on September 22, 2012, 08:10:07 PM
train from
Cannock cancelled, ruined me & my lil brothers night out to brum. Crap service! why couldnt they run a replacement bus?
They don't have to for a staff shortage, they will just get a fine. Judging by the amount of cancellations this week, a considerable one.
Anyway Bob, knowing your luck the rail replacement would have been operated by Arriva MPD's!
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 22, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
Now you are talking complete crap. Every other train company's conductors come out in the evening. I have to check tickets in the evening. Are you saying all evening train services should be free?
No I am not talking crap. I'm just saying obviously LM have made a descion on forgoing that bit of revenue over guards safety.
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:06:59 PM
All you need is good conflict avoidance training. If you walk along a train and someone says they are not paying you don't have to challenge them, you just report it or get assistance if you can. That is no excuse for not collecting fares from people willing to pay.
What is the conductor on the train for if he is not going to move from the back cab. Put a few mirrors up and make the line DOO like trains in the South East if all they are going to do is operate the doors, at least we wouldn't get this current farce because some someone on £26,000 a year was unavailable just to press a button to open the doors
A Gaurds role in importance:
Most Important:
Ensuring that access/egress to the train is safe.
The safety of the train.
Plus other Safety Critical duties.
After they have done all their duties then Revenue can be considered.
DOO is not worth the hastle it is causing down South. I'd rather have a guard on a train I am on as at least if there was an emergancy then an additional man would be able to help. Thats a downfall of DOO!
I would rather have a conductor on the train than DOO, but the safety items you mention above don't take any longer at 7pm, than they do at 7am.
But what hassle is DOO causing down south? last Tuesday I went to watch England at Wembley, came back on the 22:18 Wembley Stadium to Birmingham Moor Street. Quite successfully DOO operated as far as Banbury, my ticket was checked before boarding the train. The driver managed to shut the doors despite hundreds of people on the platform and train. Could be because Chiltern are a proper company who can organise their staff rotas so that not only did every train run, they actually ran extras to move all the fans, and still collected all the fares
I do feel a little for Go Ahead with the London Midland situation. I think they have done their best with it against the backdrop of a very unionised and militant environment and little staff flexibility. When you compare it to Southern and Southeast they have achieved far more there. I can't understand how the old Central Trains employment conditions have survived so long, I don't think this situation crops up anywhere else? Even the new positions being advertised quote that Sunday working is 'as agreed' so they are still not able to employ staff who have to work Sundays. That can only be down to unions.
I also think Go Ahead are falling out of love with trains and will shift the emphasis to acquiring more bus operators over the next few years. To be fair they outperform most on that side of things and I wish they'd managed to stick with Diamond for a bit longer.
Was the problem only on certain lines today? I was in Kidder for the Severn Valley's Gala weekend today and there was no problem, or maybe it was down to sheer luck!
Quote from: D10 on September 22, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
Was the problem only on certain lines today? I was in Kidder for the Severn Valley's Gala weekend today and there was no problem, or maybe it was down to sheer luck!
It appears to be affecting conductors based at New Street and Wolverhampton only
in response to my earlier post, a gaurd/conductor/inspector can operate the doors from any point in the train, and they know what job they sign up for, the points made on safety are ludicrus, its like saying to a NX inspector dont check tickets on a bus because someone might not like getting caught with an out of date bus pass ect,.thats why we have transport police on the system, and i have seen may such officers on train services of all hours, so "its to dangerious to work after 7" is no excuse in my opinion
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 08:42:22 PM
Could be because Chiltern are a proper company who can organise their staff rotas so that not only did every train run, they actually ran extras to move all the fans, and still collected all the fares
Whilst I agree in general that other TOCs could learn a lot from Chiltern, (At least) one of their Goldies needs immediate retraining on ticket validities & customer interaction. I do not appreciate said muppet loudly announcing "this ticket isn't valid here" when passing through Leamington Spa barriers with my Daughter. Fortunately, both I & his lesser ranking colleague knew better. I still didn't get an apology for the officious ignoramus upsetting my Daughter though....
Quote from: andy on September 22, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
I do feel a little for Go Ahead with the London Midland situation. I think they have done their best with it against the backdrop of a very unionised and militant environment and little staff flexibility. When you compare it to Southern and Southeast they have achieved far more there. I can't understand how the old Central Trains employment conditions have survived so long, I don't think this situation crops up anywhere else? Even the new positions being advertised quote that Sunday working is 'as agreed' so they are still not able to employ staff who have to work Sundays. That can only be down to unions.
I say good luck to the Central Trains / London Midland staff that have somehow held on to their contracts. Both TOCs knew the score when they undertook the franchise, if they want to renegotiate, then it's up to them to come up with appropriate renumeration. Don't hold your breath - & don't blame the staff for standing up for their rights.
Quote from: NEL111P on September 22, 2012, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: andy on September 22, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
I do feel a little for Go Ahead with the London Midland situation. I think they have done their best with it against the backdrop of a very unionised and militant environment and little staff flexibility. When you compare it to Southern and Southeast they have achieved far more there. I can't understand how the old Central Trains employment conditions have survived so long, I don't think this situation crops up anywhere else? Even the new positions being advertised quote that Sunday working is 'as agreed' so they are still not able to employ staff who have to work Sundays. That can only be down to unions.
I say good luck to the Central Trains / London Midland staff that have somehow held on to their contracts. Both TOCs knew the score when they undertook the franchise, if they want to renegotiate, then it's up to them to come up with appropriate renumeration. Don't hold your breath - & don't blame the staff for standing up for their rights.
That's all very well, and I'm not taking sides atall, but in the end if LM can't recruit staff or end up losing the franchise these guys are only stuffing their own jobs up in the long term. Whether it's the fault of the OC for not paying up and negotiating, or the fault of the Union for being a dinosaur, this situation is not fit for a 21st century train service. I have to use it everyday and suffer the continual disruption and confrontation and to be fair the attitude of most LM staff (barring the individual ticket offices in some cases) is absolutely appalling, they certainly don't engender the sympathy of their customers.
Quote from: andy on September 22, 2012, 11:30:24 PM
That's all very well, and I'm not taking sides atall, but in the end if LM can't recruit staff or end up losing the franchise these guys are only stuffing their own jobs up in the long term. Whether it's the fault of the OC for not paying up and negotiating, or the fault of the Union for being a dinosaur, this situation is not fit for a 21st century train service. I have to use it everyday and suffer the continual disruption and confrontation and to be fair the attitude of most LM staff (barring the individual ticket offices in some cases) is absolutely appalling, they certainly don't engender the sympathy of their customers.
Who says they can't recruit staff? There's a hell of a lot of people out of work. If London Midland fail (& they sure as hell deserve to), staff will transfer to whoever takes over. I'm glad you mentioned ticket offices, my local tends to be shut most times that i pass, wonder why that could be eh?
I'd say sorry to hear of your suffering - but then i've never voted tory. Maybe you'd be best served asking them why they've been making such a b@lls up of possibly the nations greatest asset for the last half a decade ?
I hope Labour Renationalise the bloody things theyve been S**T since privatisation like everything else! i cant wait for the street parties when Maggie kicks the bucket!
Quote from: NEL111P on September 22, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
Quote from: andy on September 22, 2012, 11:30:24 PM
That's all very well, and I'm not taking sides atall, but in the end if LM can't recruit staff or end up losing the franchise these guys are only stuffing their own jobs up in the long term. Whether it's the fault of the OC for not paying up and negotiating, or the fault of the Union for being a dinosaur, this situation is not fit for a 21st century train service. I have to use it everyday and suffer the continual disruption and confrontation and to be fair the attitude of most LM staff (barring the individual ticket offices in some cases) is absolutely appalling, they certainly don't engender the sympathy of their customers.
Who says they can't recruit staff? There's a hell of a lot of people out of work. If London Midland fail (& they sure as hell deserve to), staff will transfer to whoever takes over. I'm glad you mentioned ticket offices, my local tends to be shut most times that i pass, wonder why that could be eh?
I'd say sorry to hear of your suffering - but then i've never voted tory. Maybe you'd be best served asking them why they've been making such a b@lls up of possibly the nations greatest asset for the last half a decade ?
Agree
I had also my local ticket office tell me a lot of them are now short staffed and that LM are only opening them 2 days minimum per week
Agree
I had also my local ticket office tell me a lot of them are now short staffed and that LM are only opening them 2 days minimum per week
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And no doubt this will be one of the ticket offices that will be having its hours reduced because of lack of use. Welll it might be used if it was actually open!
Quote from: D10 on September 23, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
Agree
I had also my local ticket office tell me a lot of them are now short staffed and that LM are only opening them 2 days minimum per week
And no doubt this will be one of the ticket offices that will be having its hours reduced because of lack of use. Welll it might be used if it was actually open!
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well sometimes when it says its open it isnt
just checked opening hours
Now only open Friday and saturday
LM have another 'Great Escape' fiasco planned for Oct 20th to 4th Nov.There are NO Time restrictions on (Southbound) London services from any Birmingham Stations within zones 1-4. At least you can be assured that,if your return train is cancelled due to driver shortage they can/will arrange alternative transport with VT (virgin) at no extra cost. ironicly, you could be back home an hour earlier! like I was last time :) As long as the LAST (scheduled) X city train services actually RUN I'm not fussed... 8)....as for guards checking tickets.. well.. try boarding a Leicester train from water orton to Nuneaton..if XC employ a guard to sell you a ticket..why should I risk losing my seat chasing a bone idle guard to buy a frigin ticket?? Nah :-X
Quote from: andy on September 22, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: bob on September 22, 2012, 08:10:07 PM
train from
Cannock cancelled, ruined me & my lil brothers night out to brum. Crap service! why couldnt they run a replacement bus?
They don't have to for a staff shortage, they will just get a fine. Judging by the amount of cancellations this week, a considerable one.
Anyway Bob, knowing your luck the rail replacement would have been operated by Arriva MPD's!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
More fines to come with the ticket office closures/restricted hours supposed to be machines at more locations including some on the chase line will be suprised if they work espically at bloxwich north will be smashed up by the mossley yobs and at bloxwich too
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
More fines to come with the ticket office closures/restricted hours supposed to be machines at more locations including some on the chase line will be suprised if they work espically at bloxwich north will be smashed up by the mossley yobs and at bloxwich too
And that is the issue that people in a head office who make these decisions can't appreciate. I have just checked the list of new station ticketing arrangements on LM's site and they will be needing to install several new ticket machines at dodgy stations.
At my station for example, Gravelly Hill, they will be installing a full ticket machine now due to the restricted hours. This is a station where they gave up replacing the much simpler and cheaper Permit machine as it was being constantly vandalised and broken into. Imagine what they will do with the full comprehensive version!
Anyone know if the chase line will have cancelled trains this Saturday coming?
I got on the rugeley train today at new street for the 16:07 departure to then find out it wont depart for another 23 mins due to a staff shortage and unable to find crew of which most people ran for the Walsall service to find out it should be on platform 1 but then this was the wrong platform as this was for the london euston virgin pendalino departure at 16:30 so then everyone piled up on the top floor waiting for a platform annoucement to then find out it was on platform 3 which again by the time everyone got on this service was delayed. What i found strange is that when arriving at Walsall the delayed rugeley service was now curtailed to Hednesford and saying its delayed due to a broken down train which was incorrect. The Chase line service seem to be having mega problems with most steming back to the shortage of staff with London Midland.
Quote from: Ash on September 26, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
I got on the rugeley train today at new street for the 16:07 departure to then find out it wont depart for another 23 mins due to a staff shortage and unable to find crew of which most people ran for the Walsall service to find out it should be on platform 1 but then this was the wrong platform as this was for the london euston virgin pendalino departure at 16:30 so then everyone piled up on the top floor waiting for a platform annoucement to then find out it was on platform 3 which again by the time everyone got on this service was delayed. What i found strange is that when arriving at Walsall the delayed rugeley service was now curtailed to Hednesford and saying its delayed due to a broken down train which was incorrect. The Chase line service seem to be having mega problems with most steming back to the shortage of staff with London Midland.
I was also on that 16:07 today, I went for the 16:39! They did tell us it was terminating at Hednesford as it passed through Witton. The 16:39 left New Street and Walsall on time, but had to wait at Bloxwich North for the 16:07 to get to Hednesford before proceding due to the long signal section, so anyone going to Rugeley only had to wait at Walsall for about 3 minutes!
Bit of a crappity service lately
Quote from: Ash on September 26, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
I got on the rugeley train today at new street for the 16:07 departure to then find out it wont depart for another 23 mins due to a staff shortage and unable to find crew of which most people ran for the Walsall service to find out it should be on platform 1 but then this was the wrong platform as this was for the london euston virgin pendalino departure at 16:30 so then everyone piled up on the top floor waiting for a platform annoucement to then find out it was on platform 3 which again by the time everyone got on this service was delayed. What i found strange is that when arriving at Walsall the delayed rugeley service was now curtailed to Hednesford and saying its delayed due to a broken down train which was incorrect. The Chase line service seem to be having mega problems with most steming back to the shortage of staff with London Midland.
It was due to a broken down train. A coal train had broken down between Telford and Wolverhampton. The crew who were working the 16:07 were coming in on a train from Shrewsbury delayed by this. For once I am on LM's side. Today was not their fault. In fact today apart from that one train the service has rune well with the correct number of carriages
My mums got to go to Birmingham on Sat for a hen do, hope they are running properly, shes got to get 1.58 from Cannock. She'll be well p****d off if its cancelled, seeing as we have NO bus service on a Saturday now, so no alternative
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2012, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 26, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
I got on the rugeley train today at new street for the 16:07 departure to then find out it wont depart for another 23 mins due to a staff shortage and unable to find crew of which most people ran for the Walsall service to find out it should be on platform 1 but then this was the wrong platform as this was for the london euston virgin pendalino departure at 16:30 so then everyone piled up on the top floor waiting for a platform annoucement to then find out it was on platform 3 which again by the time everyone got on this service was delayed. What i found strange is that when arriving at Walsall the delayed rugeley service was now curtailed to Hednesford and saying its delayed due to a broken down train which was incorrect. The Chase line service seem to be having mega problems with most steming back to the shortage of staff with London Midland.
It was due to a broken down train. A coal train had broken down between Telford and Wolverhampton. The crew who were working the 16:07 were coming in on a train from Shrewsbury delayed by this. For once I am on LM's side. Today was not their fault. In fact today apart from that one train the service has rune well with the correct number of carriages
Yeah i just put it down to the staff shortages so my mistake I only needed to go to Walsall so got the 16:17 service which stopped at all stops to Walsall
will the chaseline get better when its fully electrified then looking at the posts if LM cant get the crew or take fares looks unlikely
Why some Cross City were delayed today
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2012, 08:44:39 PM
Why some Cross City were delayed today
Where was that :O
Quote from: richie on September 27, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2012, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 27, 2012, 08:54:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2012, 08:44:39 PM
Why some Cross City were delayed today
Where was that :O
Summer Road, Erdington
Idiots like that should have the book thrown at them
You should know the height of your vehicle and/or trailer the police will make sure the book is thrown and the same for bus drivers if you are unsure do not risk it or measure your vehicle. This is from a lorry driver and also a past bus driver there is no excuse for bridge bashing
You should also be aware of your vehicle width as well as its height! this guy would have got under without the trailer...he probably forgot he had one on :) This is definately not the first time this bridge has been hit..(and not the last either).. some years ago a (fully laden) unit/trailer had hit the bridge and keeled over at about 30° crushing a small car with an elderly driver still in it...A fireman had to crawl under to release him...There are/were TWO Thames crossings which caught me out..Height: the approach to Blackwall tunnel from the south has a series of heavy rubber weights suspended on chains..If your vehicle is too high you will know about it... long before you hit the tunnel entrance!! :o Width: again, the Width restriction of 6'6" on the approach to rotherhithe tunnel (again from the south) MEANS what it says...6'6"..Including Mirrors...As I found out the hard way... :o :( :( :( :)
Why do they still use feet & inches on signs? some have metric as well but mainly just imperial measurements. its stupid food is supposed to be metric too but nearly every butcher ive been in advertises in pounds. theres a stall on Cannock market that still has scales that weigh in LB/OZ as well. thought that was illegal
it is lets just hope trading standards are not watching these posts
Back to train roulette again today, cancellations and delays rife on the cross city!
Quote from: andy on October 06, 2012, 06:37:30 PM
Back to train roulette again today, cancellations and delays rife on the cross city!
Exactly 100 canceled today, I am currently on 1917 rugeley, two in front canceled, only two carriages, at least 100 standing in front carriage, people left on new street platform for another hour wait
The 17:55 all stop service to Walsall cancelled and i dont think there is any all stop Walsall to Wolverhampton service for the rest of the evening all seem to be cancelled, disgraceful all the people out of work and there short staffed.
bit of a S*** train service! cant believe they cant get it together
I use the X city line on the northern side usually at weekends, I have to agree this business is becoming a real joke..It might be more acceptable if the shorter services i.e Four oaks-longbridge were cancelled and a separate (temp) table issued to cover the so called 'leaf fall' period with ALL services through to Lichfield TV.. Its the TV passengers (Lichfield/Rugeley) who seem to take a hammering every time..so where's the compensation? can you make a claim if the service doesn't run? ..or only if its more than 30 mins late? where is ACAS when you need them? :-\ >:(
I never knew it was that bad and I have booked tickets for travel on the 24 and 25th of november to the nec for the bike show, I am travelling from Sandwell and dudley though not my local bloxwich hope I have more of a chance
Windy - I'm afraid you are correct, you can only claim if you are delayed by 30 mins or longer.
I recall the Central Trains compensation deal was better than that.
So it turns out this is all due to drivers leaving for better T's and C's elsewhere....but where?? LM drivers are on a basic of about £40k and I'm not aware of too many operators that pay much more. Coupled with the extremely generous weekend premiums that LM pay along with the low number of scheculed weekend working, where on earth are these guys better off?
Sounds to me like a whole bunch of their drivers must have just come to the end of their indemnity period all at the same time, how careless!!
Apparently we can expect no improvement until December. And LM will just get fined. Why are these franchises not set up so that an operator can be kicked off after a certain period of unacceptavle performance? These franchise reviews need to be more than reviews, they need to tear the whole thing up and start again while they have the chance.
I agree but look at the cost to the taxpayer of franchise retendering (west cost fiasco) need to put something in to recoup the costs from the failing operator if the franchise was torn up due to bad performance.
Quote from: Discodave on October 10, 2012, 02:57:43 PM
I agree but look at the cost to the taxpayer of franchise retendering (west cost fiasco) need to put something in to recoup the costs from the failing operator if the franchise was torn up due to bad performance.
Agreed, but I was referring to the review that will now be held as a result of the WCML fiasco regarding the franchising process in general, I would prefer that they abandon the whole process and start again throughout the rail network, not just for the WCML bids.
We are already going to be out of pocket as all of the current franchisees will now be handed temporary extensions on their own terms while the franchising system is investigated. They would be better off calling a halt to the whole thing full stop until we have a system that is targeted to deliver on service and not just premium to the treasury. This is an ideal opportunity to shake the whole thing up instead of papering over the cracks.
The only way to sort our horrendous railways out is to RENATIONALISE the whole thing!
Actually had a reply from LM today.... The must think we are all idiots... Their excuses were (1) Long Term illness.... (2) Death....and (3) Driver's leaving the company.... the words 'Roster'...Overtime hours...Pay rates...Ect??.. Nowhere. The mail also suggests that you return your ticket in the event of a 30 minute delay... (presumably at your cost?)...what about the season ticket holders?..do they return THEIR tickets?....I hear some MP is (quote) " Keeping a close eye on the situation".....That'll be a BLIND one then I expect... >:( >:(
Quote from: windy miller on November 11, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
Actually had a reply from LM today.... The must think we are all idiots... Their excuses were (1) Long Term illness.... (2) Death....and (3) Driver's leaving the company.... the words 'Roster'...Overtime hours...Pay rates...Ect??.. Nowhere. The mail also suggests that you return your ticket in the event of a 30 minute delay... (presumably at your cost?)...what about the season ticket holders?..do they return THEIR tickets?....I hear some MP is (quote) " Keeping a close eye on the situation".....That'll be a BLIND one then I expect... >:( >:(
No, us season ticket holders only have to email a photocopy
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
i dissagree it is an inspectors job to INSPECT i by my train tickets when i could quite easily jump the train and as i often see people doing it and not getting copped, why should i couth up for someone not doing their job properly and then some jobsworth getting a kick out of exploiting thier companys failings
This is one of my biggest frustrations. Over the last year I have used the Cross City service between Selly Oak and Birmingham New Street every weekend. I always buy I ticket from the station, but I can safely say not once has it been checked on the train. Now, on a saturday morning it isn't usually a problem as in the morning there is normally someone there at the barriers to check the tickets, but on a saturday afternoon, about 4.30ish, its hit and miss. There is absolutely no incentive to buy one.
Two years a go, I used to do the Selly Oak to Birmingham international trip by train Monday to Friday. Now, on the 0733 train from New Street to International, I can safely say only once I did have my train pass checked on a London Midland train. Now, if your travelling from Selly Oak, there is no need to pass through the barriers at New Street, so it is effectively a free journey for those who don't pay.
The one time I did have my pass checked, this lady didn't have a fair, and was simply charged the normal fare between Birmingham New Street an International. It really annoyed me, as there is basically no incentive to buy a ticket on a LM train. What happened to the penalty fare? Even Virgin checked tickets more often on that stretch of line than LM did.
I know what you mean over the last 12 months I have been to every home match at the blues,travelling from rowley regis to bordesley and return,not once have me and my son had our tickets checked,it does make you feel like not bothering to buy a ticket at all.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on December 04, 2012, 12:45:20 PM
I know what you mean over the last 12 months I have been to every home match at the blues,travelling from rowley regis to bordesley and return,not once have me and my son had our tickets checked,it does make you feel like not bothering to buy a ticket at all.
same as well even Cross City Line
THE only time I generally see a ticket checked every time is when cross city goes outside WMPTE or snow hill lines (ie The Lakes or Shenstone) but often travelling not need a ticket
ALSO every weekend I noticed no barriers at all at New Street :P
In July time I was travelling to Coventry from Redditch. I took the Train from Redditch the Ticket office was closed for lunch and there was a small queue for the ticket machine so I boarded the train as the gaurd was at the Birmingham end of the train. He gets down to the Redditch with about 10 minutes to spare and stands on the platform printing tickets I choose not to get off and buy onr from him on the station. the train departs late due to him printing tickets on the platform, and he walks straight passed me twice with asking to see if I had a ticket or not. When I ask him for one Its may fault for not purchesing one earlier. Now when I said but your collegues always ask for tickets he said well I would expect you to buy one before boarding not wait till you were on the train. Now granted I could have waited at the ticket machine or got off and bought one off of him but its still his job to make sure everyone on the train had a ticket.
AS for the rest of LM's problems its not there fault. London Midland was always floored as Central Trains and Silver Link had drivers on different contracts and benifits and not all wanted to sing off the same hymn sheet so I was expecting it to happen before it has. And I dont think Network West Midlands would do any better of a job as that would still mean two operators the one for the rest of LM and then the one NWM appoint for the West Mids and it would cost more. What needs to happen is West Coast and some of London Midland needs to be put together as one franchise and look at how some of the routes could be added to other networks ie Blecthley to Bedford. and then that would pave the way for the much needed HS2 which should take out some UK internal flights from Manchester leeds down to London which in turn means more space in the London airports and no need to put one in the thames which would be liable to flooding and could flood London. which is no great hard ship as Birmingham would be a better place for the capital anyway!
Now London Midland have been given a smacked bum over their train staff will we now see all trains run as promised or will it still be a joke and should they have had the franchise extended looks as if failure is rewarded again. I know its Tonys line but I am sick of standing to Brum from Bloxwich and I am afraid its at various times. I prefer the train being quicker and no changing like the bus but I may have to change (will mean good news for Tony as contributing to his wage rise)
I live in Bloxwich & find it easier on the bus!
The franchise Will have the planned extension.
On another note did anyone else hear someone moaning about the Cannock line (and the x51) on BBC WM on Thursday at about 1000?
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 22, 2012, 04:21:58 PM
The franchise Will have the planned extension.
On another note did anyone else hear someone moaning about the Cannock line (and the x51) on BBC WM on Thursday at about 1000?
I didn't here anybody moaning about the X51, Just London Midland management's incompetance
To be fair to LM they were all ways going to have a problem, they should have ended all staff contracts and put them on new contracts rather than keep the old central trains and Silverlink contracts.
Quote from: tank90 on December 22, 2012, 07:58:31 PM
To be fair to LM they were all ways going to have a problem, they should have ended all staff contracts and put them on new contracts rather than keep the old central trains and Silverlink contracts.
That wasn't the only moan.
The three first trains from hednesford used to be 6.08; 6.35 & 6:58. When these were replaced by just two at 6.08 and 6.51 they promised an extra carriage because of the withdrawal of a train, and good as gold the new 6.51 was 3 cars whereas the old 6.58 was two. From this timetable change the the 6.51 has been reduced back to two cars meaning people are now standing all the way from Landywood. Other services have also had a reduction in carriages. The 15:39 New Street to Rugeley has been reduced from 4 to 2 cars!
There is also a complete lack of fare collection as well at the moment. With no means of paying cash for a ticket at Hednesford, Cannock, Landywood, Bloxwich North & Bloxwich, and no means at all of buying a ticket at either Bloxwich or Landwood. The Conductors either not showing at all, or if they do they are unable to collect all fares because of sheer numbers, and on several days the barriers at New Street being unmanned and no protection at all at Walsall is it any wonder they cannot afford to pay their drivers the same as other companies?
granted but if they had sorted contracts out earlier then there would have been more money. As for the staffing that is 100% there fault I agree, rolling stock is 50/50, this government needed to spend on new rolling stock that train operators could have leased form whitehall to help with shortage of stock. But we can blame lots of folk but I think it was a rush to get things sorted and keep Unions happy, they are good but they can course problems.
Quote from: tank90 on December 22, 2012, 08:58:15 PM
granted but if they had sorted contracts out earlier then there would have been more money. As for the staffing that is 100% there fault I agree, rolling stock is 50/50, this government needed to spend on new rolling stock that train operators could have leased form whitehall to help with shortage of stock. But we can blame lots of folk but I think it was a rush to get things sorted and keep Unions happy, they are good but they can course problems.
One thing sure to annoy people is what they have done on the Cannock line is take carriages off to use on other lines, a year after taking a train off to use on another line, and promising an extra carriage on the remaining one. So between 6:30 and 7:00 the service goes from 4 carriages (2 trains 2 each) to one 3 car to one two car at the same time as numbers are increasing.
There should be no shortage of rolling stock if the DfT pulled it's finger out and stop being stupid. For instance the electrified Lymington Branch is currently worked by a class 158 diesel 2 car SWT set while class 508 electrics sit stored at Eastleigh venturing out only to make sure they are in working order which could just as easily be used at Lymington.
When Manchester to Glasgow is fully electrified class 90s off the overnight sleeper with currently stored Mark 3s could easily be used instead of initially still using diesel 185s, then the latest order of 350s.
There are well over 100 carriages doing nothing around the country (Class 317s; 508s & hauled Mk2s and 3s) which could be found suitable work for releasing valuable DMUs and EMUs to ease overcrowding!
Only Chiltern of all the franchises seems to have worked this one out and managed to get the DfT to actually let them
lets get the violins out then?
my line has never had it better! 6 car 172s!
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 22, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
lets get the violins out then?
my line has never had it better! 6 car 172s!
Or diagrammed 6 car 172s when 5 cars turn up :/. Luckily the Snow Hill line hasn't been heavily affected by staff shortages, there's been a fair few signalling problems though
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 22, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 22, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
lets get the violins out then?
my line has never had it better! 6 car 172s!
Or diagrammed 6 car 172s when 5 cars turn up :/. Luckily the Snow Hill line hasn't been heavily affected by staff shortages, there's been a fair few signalling problems though
Yes, on the Snow Hill lines we have missed the worst of the Crew Shortages, but the signalling problems and the odd broken down train have caused terrible problems over the past few weeks.
Of course LM can't be blamed for the signalling problems, but there is never any information about what is happening. Nothing of any use on their website, no announcements and even if you are lucky to catch a member of station staff, they have no idea what is happening either! Truly shocking so called customer service.
Quote from: D10 on December 23, 2012, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 22, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 22, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
lets get the violins out then?
my line has never had it better! 6 car 172s!
Or diagrammed 6 car 172s when 5 cars turn up :/. Luckily the Snow Hill line hasn't been heavily affected by staff shortages, there's been a fair few signalling problems though
Yes, on the Snow Hill lines we have missed the worst of the Crew Shortages, but the signalling problems and the odd broken down train have caused terrible problems over the past few weeks.
Of course LM can't be blamed for the signalling problems, but there is never any information about what is happening. Nothing of any use on their website, no announcements and even if you are lucky to catch a member of station staff, they have no idea what is happening either! Truly shocking so called customer service.
I know, I have to use the line everyday, it's been shocking recently. Apparently the last two signalling problems were due to a rodent chewing the cabling. Seems to be the Crewe - Euston service which is suffering them a lack of train crew today
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2012, 08:06:18 PM
Quote from: tank90 on December 22, 2012, 07:58:31 PM
To be fair to LM they were all ways going to have a problem, they should have ended all staff contracts and put them on new contracts rather than keep the old central trains and Silverlink contracts.
That wasn't the only moan.
The three first trains from hednesford used to be 6.08; 6.35 & 6:58. When these were replaced by just two at 6.08 and 6.51 they promised an extra carriage because of the withdrawal of a train, and good as gold the new 6.51 was 3 cars whereas the old 6.58 was two. From this timetable change the the 6.51 has been reduced back to two cars meaning people are now standing all the way from Landywood. Other services have also had a reduction in carriages. The 15:39 New Street to Rugeley has been reduced from 4 to 2 cars!
There is also a complete lack of fare collection as well at the moment. With no means of paying cash for a ticket at Hednesford, Cannock, Landywood, Bloxwich North & Bloxwich, and no means at all of buying a ticket at either Bloxwich or Landwood. The Conductors either not showing at all, or if they do they are unable to collect all fares because of sheer numbers, and on several days the barriers at New Street being unmanned and no protection at all at Walsall is it any wonder they cannot afford to pay their drivers the same as other companies?
What annoys me most about this is when there is a barrier operating and you then have to join a ridiculous queue at New St to get your ticket before you can leave. The other day I had to queue 10 minutes which prevented me getting to Moor Street in time to get another train.
The reply LM gave me was (quote) there would be staff shortages until Mid- December? I'm guessing thats 2012..... ::)
are they sure about that
My local station Witton has it bad. The ticket office is now closed for good, there is no ticket machine and the Permit to Travel machines never work. The only plus side is that tickets are rarely checked.
Looking at all the cancellations of London Midland services today bet this has created a nightmare for anyone travelling today using their services. Not good at all.
So LM still have not done as they have promised then
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 25, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
Many staff called in 'sick' at the last minute, causing many cancellations. I recall the same thing happening last year
This has been a problem for years, including back into Central Trains days. I wonder why they don't just admit defeat and introduce a special reduced Xmas Eve timetable, at least then you might have some confidence that your train will be running.
Well if staff keep calling in sick disapline and sack them and find people whom will work there are many whom would like the chance of earning the wages some train staff earn and there are plenty of unemployed people too I may sound harsh but if you do not want to work others will I am lucky I have public holidays off but many transport jobs include weekend and public hols (I have worked a lot of them in the past and do not get enhanced rates either) and Xmas eve is a normal day only because I work nights I was off but lost holiday for it.
I expect there will be the usual shortage of drivers next week due to sudden illness syndrome... I saw two large flies on a turd this morning...one asked his mate where he had been for two days..he said.."Iv'e been doing an LM.. LM? he said... Whats that?.. He said.... Iv'e been on the sick..... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :)
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 27, 2012, 10:13:55 PM
They're an absolute shambles, 2 coaches on a peak time journey to Worcester (Snow Hill Line), without any notification or apology. .................., they're a joke, I'm serious getting tired with this awful service, I have the displeasure of having to use their "service" everyday
Don't be silly, that can't be correct Tom reckons everything is nice and rosy on the Stourbridge Line ;D
I was being...sarcastic! You should try it! Its just a train!
Once again the Chase line is a bloody joke! 15 mins late in Cannock, 4 coach train, rammed, standing room only, its that packed were in bloxwich and the sodding conductor hasnt even been round! A joke! Bring back a bus between Cannock & Brum!
And why does it say 16.07 on timetable when the train isnt running til 16.42?? Pile of S***e NEVER USING THIS CRAP SERVICE AGAIN!!!
Quote from: bob on December 28, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
And why does it say 16.07 on timetable when the train isnt running til 16.42?? Pile of S***e NEVER USING THIS CRAP SERVICE AGAIN!!!
Because it is Christmas week! You may have noticed buses are running to a different timetable as well which is why Centro have produced a 68 page booklet listing all the changes and there are temporary timetables on all the stations. While London Midland have been pretty useless recently you cannot blame them for anything today.
If you were at New Street at 16:07 today you may have noticed platform 1a, 2a, 3a; 4a; 5a; 6a; 8a & 8b all out of use while they put a new bridge in. New Street was struggling to cope with the reduced service and certainly couldn't have had any more trains running.
LM put 4 car trains on every service on the Rugeleys today, the maximum possible, and were running as many trains as possible given the restrictions at New Street. All the late running was down to platform congestion at New Street as well. I caught the 09:55 of Hednesford this morning, on time , but stood outside New Street for 10 minutes waiting a platform, so was late for next trip. I have just come home on the 15:42 which arrived at New Street at 15:42 but couldn't get onto one of the through platforms so was reversed in 4b meaning it was 10 late leaving while crew swopped ends, and then lost a few more minutes because the route via Soho is slower than via Aston
And here is the reason for most of the local chaos today
dont they do this sort of work through the night or weekends when services are slightly reduceed
£4.80 for a one way back to Cannock that a) i couldnt get a seat on and b) couldve got on for free cos there were no barriers, and once again no conductor. Nobody paid on the trip into bham this morning, and the barriers let us walk through. Can you imagine how much money London Midland lost on a packed to the rafters train. Im sorry Tony its a crap service, sooner we get a Birmingham bus again the better!
As with the X31 campaign Bob Arriva have had there fingers burnt and tried and failed NXWM are not interested except a couple of am and pm journeys on the X51 do you see any operator trying without a massive subsidy of staffs and centro
Quote from: bob on December 28, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
£4.80 for a one way back to Cannock that a) i couldnt get a seat on and b) couldve got on for free cos there were no barriers, and once again no conductor. Nobody paid on the trip into bham this morning, and the barriers let us walk through. Can you imagine how much money London Midland lost on a packed to the rafters train. Im sorry Tony its a crap service, sooner we get a Birmingham bus again the better!
Couldn't get a seat ? where would you propose LM put any extra seats? As I said Network Rail said no more trains. It is impossible to run 5 car trains. I too think LM are a crap company, but today was not their fault. As for fare collection they do need more staff selling tickets. There were two on every train this morning, but probably only managed to collect all the fares in two of every 4 coaches that was one of the point I bought up in the interview I did on radio WM referred to above.
Incidently if you would have booked your ticket on the internet before leaving the house and then collected them from the ticket machine at Cannock Station it would have only cost you £3.80 return!
I was on the train in front of you If you stand down the platform instead of milling with the masses you will always get a seat. I was on the train in front of you there were about 200 people standing near the bottom of the stairs. I walked down the far end and had a table to myself while the back coach ended up like a sardine can
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 27, 2012, 11:01:32 PM
I was being...sarcastic! You should try it! Its just a train!
See the smiley on the end of my post? That was because I was being sarcastic, you just don't get it
Never had guessed! :-)
Its a shame, had it been routed better and promoted more it couldve been a viable alternative, every time i caught it it was either quite busy or full. Lichfield has a quicker train service to brum, yet Arriva still run the 112!
Quote from: bob on December 28, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
Its a shame, had it been routed better and promoted more it couldve been a viable alternative, every time i caught it it was either quite busy or full. Lichfield has a quicker train service to brum, yet Arriva still run the 112!
Yes but how many people on the 112 travel the whole journey from Lichfield to Birmingham I wouldnt think that many and so would use the train probably, as the quicker alternative, but I agree it's a shame the X31 was withdrawn. It was like my suggestion of a service called the X529 Tony rightly pointed out that not many people travel the whole journey and due to congestion wouldnt be sucessful. Also relating to my point under the Claribels section if centro were to subsidise new services for a trial period we could see more service like the X31 being trialled out and i'm sure some would be successful but alternative funding would have to be found outside the area covered by Centro.
on the X31 quite a few people used to get on in new invention/bentley
Stupid amount of cancellations today, there must be no disciplinary procedure or they can't afford to lose the drivers, guards etc.
http://www.londonmidland.com/your-journey/live-info/incidents/all/
Quote from: bususer12 on December 31, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
Stupid amount of cancellations today, there must be no disciplinary procedure or they can't afford to lose the drivers, guards etc.
http://www.londonmidland.com/your-journey/live-info/incidents/all/
That's not their best trick!
15:39 Birmingham to Rugeley delayed by signal failure at Bescot so terminated at Hednesford to put it back on time, passengers for Rugeley dumped at Hednesford. Both the next two trains 16:07 and 16:39 are cancelled no staff, so over one hour wait at Hednesford for those dumped there!
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on December 31, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
Stupid amount of cancellations today, there must be no disciplinary procedure or they can't afford to lose the drivers, guards etc.
http://www.londonmidland.com/your-journey/live-info/incidents/all/
That's not their best trick!
15:39 Birmingham to Rugeley delayed by signal failure at Bescot so terminated at Hednesford to put it back on time, passengers for Rugeley dumped at Hednesford. Both the next two trains 16:07 and 16:39 are cancelled no staff, so over one hour wait at Hednesford for those dumped there!
Off to the bus station to cram onto an MPD then! This is precisely what's wrong with public transport in this country.
just looked on site and found all Walsall trains are up the shitter again so even more trains cancelled for the chase line so if you want to go to rugeley you are stuffed no buses today to there
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
just looked on site and found all Walsall trains are up the shitter again so even more trains cancelled for the chase line so if you want to go to rugeley you are stuffed no buses today to there
Shouldn't Govia been fined by the Dft or even have the term of their franchise cut due to poor performance?
Quote from: Winston on January 01, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
just looked on site and found all Walsall trains are up the shitter again so even more trains cancelled for the chase line so if you want to go to rugeley you are stuffed no buses today to there
Shouldn't Govia been fined by the Dft or even have the term of their franchise cut due to poor performance?
Today's are signally problems at Bescot
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2013, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 01, 2013, 01:19:21 PM
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
just looked on site and found all Walsall trains are up the shitter again so even more trains cancelled for the chase line so if you want to go to rugeley you are stuffed no buses today to there
Shouldn't Govia been fined by the Dft or even have the term of their franchise cut due to poor performance?
Today's are signally problems at Bescot
I was referring to more general/regular lack of driver issues / resulting in cancellations etc
I've noticed a few pendalino's being diverted through Bescot today is this due to enginerring works around Wolverhampton or signalling problems there.
The privatised railway system is a shambles, even vile Mrs T described it as a 'privatisation too far', so thats saying something! It costs more to the taxpayer now in subsidy than it did as BR! Why wont any party commit to rebationalisation when its been confirmed time after time after time thats what the majority of the public want?
But will that show improvement and with this broke government fares would go up even quicker to pay for abu hamza
A train fault and signalling problems in the Malvern area but apart from that LM trains seem to be running well :)
London midland are due to compensate its long suffering patrons with a variety of rail fare concessions in the near future.
This will apply to weekly/monthly and season ticket holders. (Details to be announced.)
The boss of London Midland was on TV earlier this week and said that details of the compensation scheme would be announced tomorrow (Friday)...
Quote from: D10 on January 17, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
The boss of London Midland was on TV earlier this week and said that details of the compensation scheme would be announced tomorrow (Friday)...
Yes! They owe me free travel :)
Was something about a free London Midland network dayticket for everyone who had a season ticket during the few months of disruption
Website said monthly or longer, the E&S said weekly too, but I think that may have been subsequently denied. There was also a mention of unspecified benefits for West Midlands passengers which is possibly what was/is to be announced today.
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Quote from: D10 on January 17, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
The boss of London Midland was on TV earlier this week and said that details of the compensation scheme would be announced tomorrow (Friday)...
Well today's announcement, is to wait further!
Update - 18 January 2013
We are currently finalising the details with the Department for Transport, and will let passengers know exactly how to claim in late January 2013. This will be advertised on board trains, at stations, on the London Midland Twitter feed (@londonmidland) and online at londonmidland.com.
Quote from: D10 on January 18, 2013, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: D10 on January 17, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
The boss of London Midland was on TV earlier this week and said that details of the compensation scheme would be announced tomorrow (Friday)...
Well today's announcement, is to wait further!
Update - 18 January 2013
We are currently finalising the details with the Department for Transport, and will let passengers know exactly how to claim in late January 2013. This will be advertised on board trains, at stations, on the London Midland Twitter feed (@londonmidland) and online at londonmidland.com.
They're up now :), had to wait until the evening or 'late afternoon' for the form to be published
A class 350 working the Wolverhampton stopper:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/madabouttransport/8451917200/in/photostream
There was a ridiculous amount of train cancellations today, as the whole week, all due to a lack of train crew being available, apparently there's been short notice sickness, something doesn't seem right, if you look at the number of cancellations, there must have been a fair amount of staff with sickness, reflecting on the week, it seems the train crew problems are far from over
Quote from: Shaun on March 15, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
There was a ridiculous amount of train cancellations today, as the whole week, all due to a lack of train crew being available, apparently there's been short notice sickness, something doesn't seem right, if you look at the number of cancellations, there must have been a fair amount of staff with sickness, reflecting on the week, it seems the train crew problems are far from over
I'm fine with this, only got meself a weeks pass for this week and it looks like I'll be getting the lot back inn compensation
Were trains cancelled like this in BR days? Its pathetic
Quote from: Kevin on March 16, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 15, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
There was a ridiculous amount of train cancellations today, as the whole week, all due to a lack of train crew being available, apparently there's been short notice sickness, something doesn't seem right, if you look at the number of cancellations, there must have been a fair amount of staff with sickness, reflecting on the week, it seems the train crew problems are far from over
I'm fine with this, only got meself a weeks pass for this week and it looks like I'll be getting the lot back inn compensation
Luckily none of my lines are affected. But my 5 days free travel is in the post :)
Quote from: Shaun on March 16, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
Luckily none of my lines are affected. But my 5 days free travel is in the post :)
Alas when I worked it all out I only had 25 days worth of pass during those few months last year, just not enough to get those tickets... Gutted.
On the other hand, two grains cancelled last night, leaving a 2 car 170 to Hednesford as the last train of the Saturday ( usually busy as it is) with an extra 2 train loads of people, that was fun...
Can any train boffs tell me what diagrams are operated by LM out of Coventry please?
Quote from: Kevin on March 16, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 15, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
There was a ridiculous amount of train cancellations today, as the whole week, all due to a lack of train crew being available, apparently there's been short notice sickness, something doesn't seem right, if you look at the number of cancellations, there must have been a fair amount of staff with sickness, reflecting on the week, it seems the train crew problems are far from over
I'm fine with this, only got meself a weeks pass for this week and it looks like I'll be getting the lot back inn compensation
I don't think so!
To get the cost of a weekly pass back you would need to be delayed by over an hour twice a day for 7 days
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2013, 11:25:29 AM
Quote from: Kevin on March 16, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 15, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
There was a ridiculous amount of train cancellations today, as the whole week, all due to a lack of train crew being available, apparently there's been short notice sickness, something doesn't seem right, if you look at the number of cancellations, there must have been a fair amount of staff with sickness, reflecting on the week, it seems the train crew problems are far from over
I'm fine with this, only got meself a weeks pass for this week and it looks like I'll be getting the lot back inn compensation
I don't think so!
To get the cost of a weekly pass back you would need to be delayed by over an hour twice a day for 7 days
Well, a fair whack of it anyway, out of the 12 trains I've had to catch 6 of them have been cancelled, including a late night one meaning an hours wait
Quote from: andy on March 19, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Can any train boffs tell me what diagrams are operated by LM out of Coventry please?
4 cars to New Street & London Euston (350/1 & 2s). 1 car to Nuneaton (153)
Quote from: Shaun on March 19, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: andy on March 19, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Can any train boffs tell me what diagrams are operated by LM out of Coventry please?
4 cars to New Street & London Euston (350/1 & 2s). 1 car to Nuneaton (153)
Thamks Shaun :-) I'm not great with train terminology! So is that the equivalent of 5 running boards?
Quote from: andy on March 19, 2013, 11:39:23 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 19, 2013, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: andy on March 19, 2013, 11:18:18 AM
Can any train boffs tell me what diagrams are operated by LM out of Coventry please?
4 cars to New Street & London Euston (350/1 & 2s). 1 car to Nuneaton (153)
Thamks Shaun :-) I'm not great with train terminology! So is that the equivalent of 5 running boards?
No, when I said 4 cars, I meant 4 coaches. I'm not particularly sure about running boards :)
Franchise is extended to 2017, don't know whether to laugh or cry :o:
http://www.londonmidland.com/about-us/latest-news/london-midland-franchise-extended-to-2017/
Quote from: Shaun on March 27, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
Franchise is extended to 2017, don't know whether to laugh or cry :o:
http://www.londonmidland.com/about-us/latest-news/london-midland-franchise-extended-to-2017/
Maybe it gives NX time to put a water tight bid together lol that would be buses trams and trains in the West Midlands, it should work well.
Quote from: tank90 on March 27, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 27, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
Franchise is extended to 2017, don't know whether to laugh or cry :o:
http://www.londonmidland.com/about-us/latest-news/london-midland-franchise-extended-to-2017/
Maybe it gives NX time to put a water tight bid together lol that would be buses trams and trains in the West Midlands, it should work well.
I doubt NX will even bother bidding for it, as that franchise win would definitely attract Oft/MMC intervention, NX would have a monopoly over all forms of public transport within the West Midlands
Maybe but where does the NX airlines fly too from Birmingham International then lol.
To be honest I think it wouldnt matter because First run a heck of alot of stuff in London and havent had the oft on there case.
If anything it would give us all a better travelling experience for a start.
Quote from: tank90 on March 27, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Maybe but where does the NX airlines fly too from Birmingham International then lol.
To be honest I think it wouldnt matter because First run a heck of alot of stuff in London and havent had the oft on there case.
If anything it would give us all a better travelling experience for a start.
What NX airlines?
London is a regulated market managed by Tfl, First only run 11.57% of the 7935 Pvr of London buses, Go-Ahead Group are the biggest provider with a 23.89% market share, there are also policies in place to prevent operators running more the 25% of all London buses
Quote from: Winston on March 27, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I doubt NX will even bother bidding for it, as that franchise win would definitely attract Oft/MMC intervention, NX would have a monopoly over all forms of public transport within the West Midlands
Quote from: Winston on March 27, 2013, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: tank90 on March 27, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Maybe but where does the NX airlines fly too from Birmingham International then lol.
To be honest I think it wouldnt matter because First run a heck of alot of stuff in London and havent had the oft on there case.
If anything it would give us all a better travelling experience for a start.
What NX airlines?
London is a regulated market managed by Tfl, First only run 11.57% of the 7935 Pvr of London buses, Go-Ahead Group are the biggest provider with a 23.89% market share, there are also policies in place to prevent operators running more the 25% of all London buses
Well if NX had an Airline that flew from BIA and had Canal boats offering a water bus I would agree but sadly not, First may only have 11.57% share of buses but the have a higher Percentage of Rail services in London which arent TfL controlled yet. Also didnt First run Croydens trams at one point along with all there bus PVRs and at least FGW
Quote from: tank90 on March 28, 2013, 12:15:18 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 27, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
I doubt NX will even bother bidding for it, as that franchise win would definitely attract Oft/MMC intervention, NX would have a monopoly over all forms of public transport within the West Midlands
Quote from: Winston on March 27, 2013, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: tank90 on March 27, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Maybe but where does the NX airlines fly too from Birmingham International then lol.
To be honest I think it wouldnt matter because First run a heck of alot of stuff in London and havent had the oft on there case.
If anything it would give us all a better travelling experience for a start.
What NX airlines?
London is a regulated market managed by Tfl, First only run 11.57% of the 7935 Pvr of London buses, Go-Ahead Group are the biggest provider with a 23.89% market share, there are also policies in place to prevent operators running more the 25% of all London buses
Well if NX had an Airline that flew from BIA and had Canal boats offering a water bus I would agree but sadly not, First may only have 11.57% share of buses but the have a higher Percentage of Rail services in London which arent TfL controlled yet. Also didnt First run Croydens trams at one point along with all there bus PVRs and at least FGW
First still operate the trams in Croydon, 27 trams
First don't.
And didn't NX have a monopoly before GoVia got their hands on the central franchise? A little thing named Central Trains?
[scoobydoo] And they would have got away with it too, had it not been for those meddleing bids! [/scoobydoo]
:-)
Quote from: trainbasher on March 28, 2013, 12:55:15 AM
First don't.
And didn't NX have a monopoly before GoVia got their hands on the central franchise? A little thing named Central Trains?
[scoobydoo] And they would have got away with it too, had it not been for those meddleing bids! [/scoobydoo]
:-)
First do
http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_london/journey_planning/tramlink/
Yes NX had the Central Trains franchise from 1997-2007, when that was awarded they didn't have the Midland Metro, that didn't start operating until 1999. Back then there were also far more smaller bus companies providing competition for TWM than there are today. I think Rotala for one would lodge a complaint with Oft if NX were ever awarded the London Midland franchise in the future.....
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: trainbasher on March 28, 2013, 12:55:15 AM
First don't.
And didn't NX have a monopoly before GoVia got their hands on the central franchise? A little thing named Central Trains?
[scoobydoo] And they would have got away with it too, had it not been for those meddleing bids! [/scoobydoo]
:-)
First do
http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_london/journey_planning/tramlink/
Yes NX had the Central Trains franchise from 1997-2007, when that was awarded they didn't have the Midland Metro, that didn't start operating until 1999. Back then there were also far more smaller bus companies providing competition for TWM than there are today. I think Rotala for one would lodge a complaint with Oft if NX were ever awarded the London Midland franchise in the future.....
You think so?
I don't as it might draw the oft to Redditch unless something is to happen between now and then.
Quote from: tank90 on March 28, 2013, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: trainbasher on March 28, 2013, 12:55:15 AM
First don't.
And didn't NX have a monopoly before GoVia got their hands on the central franchise? A little thing named Central Trains?
[scoobydoo] And they would have got away with it too, had it not been for those meddleing bids! [/scoobydoo]
:-)
First do
http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/greater_london/journey_planning/tramlink/
Yes NX had the Central Trains franchise from 1997-2007, when that was awarded they didn't have the Midland Metro, that didn't start operating until 1999. Back then there were also far more smaller bus companies providing competition for TWM than there are today. I think Rotala for one would lodge a complaint with Oft if NX were ever awarded the London Midland franchise in the future.....
You think so?
I don't as it might draw the oft to Redditch unless something is to happen between now and then.
Redditch is small fry compared to NX potentially controlling 80% + of the West Midlands bus market, the Midland Metro & all the local train services currently run by London Midland. Although having one operator operating all those forms of transport would have its benefits in terms of interchangeable tickets/ travel cards etc for all the various modes of transport, the negatives are that NX would have control of the pricing structure of all three. Which may further make it difficult for the smaller bus operators to make money in the region i.e. Rotala. NX were once one of the biggest UK rail operators when the franchises were first let, however with the shabbles that UK rail is currently in & any new franchises not being re-let until 2017 at the earliest, I think NX will concentrate on Germany. They may well bid for the select few rail franchises in the UK but it may depend on what implications it may have on their other UK business i.e. bus & coach. After all NX were required to divest Scottish Citylink coaches when they won the Scotrail franchise and then lost it too First, the end result being they lost both businesses.
As for the Oft being interested in Rotala's Redditch takeover, I would have thought that we would have heard something by now if was going to be referred?
Franchise extended? After the joke of a service they provide???? It needs to be taken back into public ownership doubt itll happen with the scum govt in atm though they seem to be aiming to get rid of anything in the public sector!
Quote from: bob on March 28, 2013, 05:27:51 PM
Franchise extended? After the joke of a service they provide???? It needs to be taken back into public ownership doubt itll happen with the scum govt in atm though they seem to be aiming to get rid of anything in the public sector!
It would never happen whoever is in power, franchising is here to stay.
I dont know. Labour havent ruled it out
I've just come through Kings Heath on a class 172, that was something I didn't realise you could do until today
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
I've just come through Kings Heath on a class 172, that was something I didn't realise you could do until today
Is it back open?
Quote from: The Rat on July 06, 2013, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
I've just come through Kings Heath on a class 172, that was something I didn't realise you could do until today
Is it back open?
No, not for some time yet! ;D
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
I've just come through Kings Heath on a class 172, that was something I didn't realise you could do until today
I'm no trainspotter, so I have no idea what a 'class 172' is, but I work in Sparkbrook, near Camp Hill Island, and while I mostly see freight trains on the railway line near there (I can see it from outside work while I'm having a fag break, or while I'm waiting for a bus on the Stratford Rd), along with the occasional CrossCountry passenger train, I have on a couple of occasions noticed a London Midland train passing by on the Camp Hill line. I can only assume it is on diversion?
Class 172s are the new trains on the Snow Hill/Moor Street lines and are quite rare in New Street with just a couple of booked workings per week. The 15:54 Worcester Shrub Hill to New Street and 16:49 return to Hereford are booked 2x172 2 car, but I didn't realise it was also booked to come into New Street through Kings Heath
Ah, I see! You can tell I don't catch the local train that often, so I presume these new Class 172s would have been one that I caught at Christmas, from Acocks Green to Langley Green, which I thought was very plush and modern, compared to previous trains I'd caught on the same line before!
On a side/related note Tony, I've read several articles on the internet about the proposals to reintroduce passenger services on the Camp Hill line, which would see stations in Kings Heath and Moseley re-opened, and new 'chords' built at Bordesley/Camp Hill to direct the trains into Moor Street, instead of New Street, do you think this would significantly reduce patronage on the 50 bus service? And would it be a great benefit for commuters from Kings Heath and Moseley areas?
Once again the 2318 is not running due to.a 'staff shortage'.WHAT A F#####G ABSOLUTE JOKE OF A SERVICE!!!! free for all for the coach people barging people out of the way. Toilet on coach locked. WHY HAVE LONDON MIDLAND STILL GOT A B#####D FRANCHISE????? disgusting!
Bob..23.18pm where too?..I.m guessing the last redditch service from N.st?..I wrote to complain to LM some time ago about the consequences of cancelling late night trains...some young people may not have a clue where to catch an alternative bus. >:( as for the franchise I think they have been given an extention for a few more years yet..its a bit sick..
Nope to cannock but the redditch one was a Dart bus and didnt have enough room for everyone. Lichfield was also a bus replacement
They're a disgrace to be honest. I feel sorry for people travelling on their Euston line, there's at least 3 trains cancelled a day (besides Sunday) on their line
The railway needs to be renationalised how the tories call privatisation successful is beyond me? ??
I used London midland to London last Tuesday, cant really complain for what I paid, £12 there and back is a steal!
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
I've just come through Kings Heath on a class 172, that was something I didn't realise you could do until today
Random extra services on saturday from Bromsgrove to New St (or maybe from worcester?), booked as 172s and booked to run via Camp Hill.
If you ever need to use that route on a sunday, there's usually a 172 operating it and gives the chance to travel on one of them via Selly Oak as well
13:01 Walsall to wolves was class 350 (blue seats with tables) used on Euston ! Makes such a nice change compared to the dark standard trains
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 09, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
13:01 Walsall to wolves was class 350 (blue seats with tables) used on Euston ! Makes such a nice change compared to the dark standard trains
That's a 350/1 ;)
Quote from: Shaun4166 on July 09, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 09, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
13:01 Walsall to wolves was class 350 (blue seats with tables) used on Euston ! Makes such a nice change compared to the dark standard trains
That's a 350/1 ;)
so 350/2 is the other one?
still a class 150/153 i would take over a bog standard one on cross city anyday :P
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 09, 2013, 10:22:06 PM
Quote from: Shaun4166 on July 09, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 09, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
13:01 Walsall to wolves was class 350 (blue seats with tables) used on Euston ! Makes such a nice change compared to the dark standard trains
That's a 350/1 ;)
so 350/2 is the other one?
still a class 150/153 i would take over a bog standard one on cross city anyday :P
Yeah, the 350/2 have green seats. Class 323s run on the CrossCity line. Yeah, I'd take a Class 150 or Class 153/156 over anything
I rode a class 172 Snow Hill - Stourbridge Junction the other day and throughout the whole journey not one ticket inspector came and checked my ticket (I had a valid Network West Midlands Daytripper).
I don't ride very many trains - is this normal, to not have anyone check your ticket? Don't you get many faredodgers?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 16, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
I rode a class 172 Snow Hill - Stourbridge Junction the other day and throughout the whole journey not one ticket inspector came and checked my ticket (I had a valid Network West Midlands Daytripper).
I don't ride very many trains - is this normal, to not have anyone check your ticket? Don't you get many faredodgers?
You get a lot of people who try and get away with it. Most conductors let you off, they don't show the same kindness if you're outside of the West Midlands, I've seen passengers get fined on several occasions. One train you'll probably never get checked on is the Wolverhampton - Walsall stopper, I've only been checked twice,
ever
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 16, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
I rode a class 172 Snow Hill - Stourbridge Junction the other day and throughout the whole journey not one ticket inspector came and checked my ticket (I had a valid Network West Midlands Daytripper).
I don't ride very many trains - is this normal, to not have anyone check your ticket? Don't you get many faredodgers?
Faredodgers yes
Snow Hill station has a bypass you see :) Moor Street usually does as ticket barriers by stairs are usually open
Since now ive seen no ticket barriers operation Weekends (staff seem to work Mon-Fri now)
Ticket check rarely happens (it WILL happen if train goes outside PTE like the Cross City Line) and usually its only checked when it doesnt call at intermediate stations (ie SGB > Rowley Regis missing Langley Green)
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 17, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 16, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
I rode a class 172 Snow Hill - Stourbridge Junction the other day and throughout the whole journey not one ticket inspector came and checked my ticket (I had a valid Network West Midlands Daytripper).
I don't ride very many trains - is this normal, to not have anyone check your ticket? Don't you get many faredodgers?
Faredodgers yes
Snow Hill station has a bypass you see :) Moor Street usually does as ticket barriers by stairs are usually open
Since now ive seen no ticket barriers operation Weekends (staff seem to work Mon-Fri now)
Ticket check rarely happens (it WILL happen if train goes outside PTE like the Cross City Line) and usually its only checked when it doesnt call at intermediate stations (ie SGB > Rowley Regis missing Langley Green)
On Sunday I got off the train at Snow Hill and no surprise, the barriers were open However, I got back on at Moor Street and was surprised to see the barriers were in force and being manned. Of course Moor Street is controlled by Chiltern not LM, so Chiltern may now manning the Moor Street barriers for at least some of the time at weekends.
New street has 1 ticket barrier manned on sundays for 6 hours only, monday to saturday 07:00-18;30,moor st has the main gate manned but never seen the other one being used.Snow hill only ever seen the barriers being manned once when there was a meet the manager there?
Moor St had both manned the last time I went to Stratford, and that was a Saturday afternoon.
London midland must lose so much revenue at certain times. Loadsof times on a sat evening ive never paid and obviously if theres no barriers on im not gona offer to pay lol. A few saturdays ago I was on the 2318 cannock train and a horrific fight kicked off 3 or 4 blokes were battering rhis one guy. Where was the conductor? Nowhere to be seen!
Quote from: midlandred2003 on July 21, 2013, 09:47:38 AM
New street has 1 ticket barrier manned on sundays for 6 hours only, monday to saturday 07:00-18;30,moor st has the main gate manned but never seen the other one being used.Snow hill only ever seen the barriers being manned once when there was a meet the manager there?
Snow HIll is manned usually 7:30am - 5pm Mon-Friday but the St pauls barriers are generally open
Quote from: bob on July 21, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
London midland must lose so much revenue at certain times. Loadsof times on a sat evening ive never paid and obviously if theres no barriers on im not gona offer to pay lol. A few saturdays ago I was on the 2318 cannock train and a horrific fight kicked off 3 or 4 blokes were battering rhis one guy. Where was the conductor? Nowhere to be seen!
1. Then you are effectively a thief. You shouldn't require enforcement to buy a ticket, perhaps you can bear this in mind when criticising the company for not doing this that or the other, as you think it should be a free service.
2. What do you expect the single conductor to do against 4 blokes? How far away from the conductor's cab were you? If there was a serious incident you could have gone to the cab and alerted the conductor or even pulled the pascom? Did you do anything?
Quote from: andy on July 22, 2013, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: bob on July 21, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
London midland must lose so much revenue at certain times. Loadsof times on a sat evening ive never paid and obviously if theres no barriers on im not gona offer to pay lol. A few saturdays ago I was on the 2318 cannock train and a horrific fight kicked off 3 or 4 blokes were battering rhis one guy. Where was the conductor? Nowhere to be seen!
1. Then you are effectively a thief. You shouldn't require enforcement to buy a ticket, perhaps you can bear this in mind when criticising the company for not doing this that or the other, as you think it should be a free service.
2. What do you expect the single conductor to do against 4 blokes? How far away from the conductor's cab were you? If there was a serious incident you could have gone to the cab and alerted the conductor or even pulled the pascom? Did you do anything?
For a period of about 6 months, Old Hill Station was closed after 10am, if i want an n network daytripper, I had no choice as there was only a permit to travel machine, which didn't accept notes. Now there is a card payment machine as well. The opening times are very poor, especially as there are certain tickets that machines cannot issue. The first time I needed a ticket, i approached the guard to let them know that I needed to buy a ticket, they said get on i'm busy!
I don't need to travel by train anymore, but if i did, I could just board a train in Old Hill holding a note, because there is no facility to accept them, or could just board a train at Lye because I need an n network (It's cheaper to get one than buy a return to somewhere like Coventry.)
Effectively a thief? I get on at an unmanned station with a machine where you can only pay by card. I pay cash, its not my fault they cant bother their f#####g arse to send a conductor round to DO HIS JOB ir collect fares. Why should I have to queue up just because the conductor hasnt been round. And as for return journeys, if theyre stupid enough not to send a conductor round to check tickdts/collect fares etc then thats their issue. They provide an absolutely crapservice any way, trains that dont turn up, trains that arent running last minute due to staff shortages ( despite this not being stated on their website), shocking service. Oh and they send a bloody single decker to cover the equivalent of a train resulting in a free for all for christs sake....
Quote from: bob on July 22, 2013, 09:33:20 AM
Effectively a thief? I get on at an unmanned station with a machine where you can only pay by card. I pay cash, its not my fault they cant bother their f#####g arse to send a conductor round to DO HIS JOB ir collect fares. Why should I have to queue up just because the conductor hasnt been round. And as for return journeys, if theyre stupid enough not to send a conductor round to check tickdts/collect fares etc then thats their issue. They provide an absolutely crapservice any way, trains that dont turn up, trains that arent running last minute due to staff shortages ( despite this not being stated on their website), shocking service. Oh and they send a bloody single decker to cover the equivalent of a train resulting in a free for all for christs sake....
I'm with Bob on this one.
If they had the facilities and the service, then any 'normal' person wouldn't mind paying for a ticket knowing forwell there is a conductor lacking.
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2013, 08:52:41 AM
Quote from: andy on July 22, 2013, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: bob on July 21, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
London midland must lose so much revenue at certain times. Loadsof times on a sat evening ive never paid and obviously if theres no barriers on im not gona offer to pay lol. A few saturdays ago I was on the 2318 cannock train and a horrific fight kicked off 3 or 4 blokes were battering rhis one guy. Where was the conductor? Nowhere to be seen!
1. Then you are effectively a thief. You shouldn't require enforcement to buy a ticket, perhaps you can bear this in mind when criticising the company for not doing this that or the other, as you think it should be a free service.
2. What do you expect the single conductor to do against 4 blokes? How far away from the conductor's cab were you? If there was a serious incident you could have gone to the cab and alerted the conductor or even pulled the pascom? Did you do anything?
For a period of about 6 months, Old Hill Station was closed after 10am, if i want an n network daytripper, I had no choice as there was only a permit to travel machine, which didn't accept notes. Now there is a card payment machine as well. The opening times are very poor, especially as there are certain tickets that machines cannot issue. The first time I needed a ticket, i approached the guard to let them know that I needed to buy a ticket, they said get on i'm busy!
I don't need to travel by train anymore, but if i did, I could just board a train in Old Hill holding a note, because there is no facility to accept them, or could just board a train at Lye because I need an n network (It's cheaper to get one than buy a return to somewhere like Coventry.)
My Local station Jewellery Quarter also had its hours vastly reduced to only Friday 10-12 and 3-5 as opposed to 6:00 - 23:59 before considering its a busy station
Quote from: andy on July 22, 2013, 01:12:30 AM
Quote from: bob on July 21, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
London midland must lose so much revenue at certain times. Loadsof times on a sat evening ive never paid and obviously if theres no barriers on im not gona offer to pay lol. A few saturdays ago I was on the 2318 cannock train and a horrific fight kicked off 3 or 4 blokes were battering rhis one guy. Where was the conductor? Nowhere to be seen!
1. Then you are effectively a thief. You shouldn't require enforcement to buy a ticket, perhaps you can bear this in mind when criticising the company for not doing this that or the other, as you think it should be a free service.
2. What do you expect the single conductor to do against 4 blokes? How far away from the conductor's cab were you? If there was a serious incident you could have gone to the cab and alerted the conductor or even pulled the pascom? Did you do anything?
I agree Andy, coming in from Cannock if no conductor comes around fair enough that is the company's fault, but anyone boarding a train at New Street with 24hour ticket sales facilities is a fair dodger who deserves penalty fares or prosecution if caught.
Revenue Inspectors were at Walsall today, all exits, catching everybody getting off the trains from Birmingham and doing just that
I don't use the train very often, but am honest enough to buy a ticket anyway where I can.
I did raise my concerns with London Midland via FixMyTransport back in December 2011, their response makes interesting reading:
http://www.fixmytransport.com/campaigns/at-least-employ-ticket-checkers-on-t
I do recall another occasion when I did buy a ticket, however as I saw a conductor passing through my carriage, I got my ticket out ready for inspection, and the guy just walked straight past! The train wasn't even busy, so I presumed he was just heading to the other end before starting back for his checks, but he never returned.
It makes me wonder what data London Midland use to analyse how many passengers use their services, when it is so seemingly easy to get on a train without paying.
I just know though, that the first time I try evading the fare, I'll get caught and slapped with a fine. So I'll always buy a ticket from the office at the station if its open, or put some money in the Permit To Travel machine.
If I have to catch a train and the ticket facitilies are not open (and the ticket machine only accepts card, as is the case at Hamstead) then I make a point of going to the guard and buying one. The whole of the London Midland network is a penalty fare zone and as such if you have no ticket and have made no effort to do so then you are liable to a fine. Regardless whether or not the guard does his job properly or the trains are up to scratch or anyone is at barriers to check the tickets, if you travel on the train and make no effort to buy a ticket you are a thief. It's no different to catching a bus and walking straight past the driver without paying, nor is it different to walking out of Tescos with your weekly shopping because the tills are the other side of the shop
You are told, that if the ticket office is closed, to purchase your ticket from the conductor at your first opportunity. You wouldn't board a bus without paying, the train is no different. Most conductors are very lenient and allow you to pay for your ticket on board if you haven't already got one with you
Quote from: Stu on July 22, 2013, 06:21:05 PM
I don't use the train very often, but am honest enough to buy a ticket anyway where I can.
I did raise my concerns with London Midland via FixMyTransport back in December 2011, their response makes interesting reading:
http://www.fixmytransport.com/campaigns/at-least-employ-ticket-checkers-on-t
I do recall another occasion when I did buy a ticket, however as I saw a conductor passing through my carriage, I got my ticket out ready for inspection, and the guy just walked straight past! The train wasn't even busy, so I presumed he was just heading to the other end before starting back for his checks, but he never returned.
It makes me wonder what data London Midland use to analyse how many passengers use their services, when it is so seemingly easy to get on a train without paying.
I just know though, that the first time I try evading the fare, I'll get caught and slapped with a fine. So I'll always buy a ticket from the office at the station if its open, or put some money in the Permit To Travel machine.
Going slightly off topic here, but how stupid can some people be on that Fix my Transport site! Such as the bloke on about the 11 on the day of the fire in Harbourne. Any normal person would probably reply, "Oh I didn't realise about the fire on that particular day, but in general the route needs more control as it is frequently late on many other occasions" (or something like that!), instead he is moaning that National Express didn't have plans in place to deal with a building fire and consequent diversions.
Shame on National Express for not foreseeing a fire and attaching wings on to the buses so they could just fly over the congestion in Harbourne!
QuoteYou are told, that if the ticket office is closed, to purchase your ticket from the conductor at your first opportunity. You wouldn't board a bus without paying, the train is no different. Most conductors are very lenient and allow you to pay for your ticket on board if you haven't already got one with you
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But that is exactly how we have got to the state we are in - the rule when the "open station concept" was introduced was that you must buy a ticket when the booking office is open and only full fares will be sold on trains if you don't, but hardly anyone enforced it and pretty quickly people decided not to bother buying before boarding.
Quote from: mikestone on July 26, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
QuoteYou are told, that if the ticket office is closed, to purchase your ticket from the conductor at your first opportunity. You wouldn't board a bus without paying, the train is no different. Most conductors are very lenient and allow you to pay for your ticket on board if you haven't already got one with you
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But that is exactly how we have got to the state we are in - the rule when the "open station concept" was introduced was that you must buy a ticket when the booking office is open and only full fares will be sold on trains if you don't, but hardly anyone enforced it and pretty quickly people decided not to bother buying before boarding.
Times have changed. You always risk a fine if you board with out a ticket. It rarely gets forced today, most conductors let you pay on board
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 26, 2013, 12:54:31 AM
Quote from: mikestone on July 26, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
QuoteYou are told, that if the ticket office is closed, to purchase your ticket from the conductor at your first opportunity. You wouldn't board a bus without paying, the train is no different. Most conductors are very lenient and allow you to pay for your ticket on board if you haven't already got one with you
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But that is exactly how we have got to the state we are in - the rule when the "open station concept" was introduced was that you must buy a ticket when the booking office is open and only full fares will be sold on trains if you don't, but hardly anyone enforced it and pretty quickly people decided not to bother buying before boarding.
That is because conductors cannot issue penalty fares. The conductor on one of the evening Birmingham-Rugeley trains about 2 weeks ago was correctly only selling 'anytime tickets' not off-peak ones which people could have purchased at New Street which is a bit of a penalty.
Only Revenue Protection Inspectors can issue the £20 penalty fare
Times have changed. You always risk a fine if you board with out a ticket. It rarely gets forced today, most conductors let you pay on board
Ok, There are NO booking offices at Water orton, (and NO permit to travel machine either) It has been suggested that a passenger without a ticket should buy one at their first opportunity eg when travelling to Nuneaton are passengers seriously expected to de-train at coleshill in order to buy a ticket, while the passenger is then obliged to wait half hour in the cold for the next available train? OR do they wait for the guard to vacate the comfort of his rear cab and sell me a ticket?.....If a fare remains uncollected before Nuneaton there are no ticket barriers on leaving the station... The irony is that IF you make a return (single) journey the cost of the fare is virtually the same as a return ticket... >:(
Quote from: windy miller on July 29, 2013, 01:54:04 AM
Ok, There are NO booking offices at Water orton, (and NO permit to travel machine either) It has been suggested that a passenger without a ticket should buy one at their first opportunity eg when travelling to Nuneaton are passengers seriously expected to de-train at coleshill in order to buy a ticket, while the passenger is then obliged to wait half hour in the cold for the next available train? OR do they wait for the guard to vacate the comfort of his rear cab and sell me a ticket?.....If a fare remains uncollected before Nuneaton there are no ticket barriers on leaving the station... The irony is that IF you make a return (single) journey the cost of the fare is virtually the same as a return ticket... >:(
Water Orton is not in a Penalty fare zone, so a conductor is obliges to sell you the cheapest ticket for your journey. (which is isn't in a PF zone, he is only required to sell full price anytime tickets). I have never travelled between New Street and Water Orton either way and not had my ticket checked, or be sold a ticket. The Cross Country conductors do seem good at revenue
Ref the XC journey Water Orton- New St...To be fair I have always been approached by an XC conductor (s) between WTO and New St, (in both directions) as you said but not between WTO and Nuneaton.
After the rain today the class 323's are wheel spinning like mad causing the train to shake like turbalance
i thought I'd fallen into an alternate universe today - the barrier staff actually seemed to read my ticket both coming off the station and going on.
Quote from: windy miller on July 29, 2013, 12:48:11 PM
Ref the XC journey Water Orton- New St...To be fair I have always been approached by an XC conductor (s) between WTO and New St, (in both directions) as you said but not between WTO and Nuneaton.
So you go to the guard at the rear of the train and ask to buy a ticket.... no?
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: windy miller on July 29, 2013, 12:48:11 PM
Ref the XC journey Water Orton- New St...To be fair I have always been approached by an XC conductor (s) between WTO and New St, (in both directions) as you said but not between WTO and Nuneaton.
So you go to the guard at the rear of the train and ask to buy a ticket.... no?
Precisely. The conductor is not obliged to be in the train all the time, but is obliged to collect a ticket machine at the start of shift and be available to sell tickets if requested. On many trains it is completely impossible for the conductor to get through the train but they will still sell tickets if approached. It is in their interests to do so as they receive commission.
How new is the cross city branding on the the class 350's
Quote from: dgss1 on August 03, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
How new is the cross city branding on the the class 350's
350s don't work the Cross-City line, which ones have branding?
Sorry Euston lines
47 horrible urban 90 seats wedged into an old vibrating dart, looks like LM are trying to find the worst possible bus for rail replacement to make their trains look good.
Are the cannock to brum trains running tomorrow tony?
Quote from: bob on August 23, 2013, 06:22:01 PM
Are the cannock to brum trains running tomorrow tony?
No trains until Tuesday while they switch all the new signalling on
The centre 2 cars of 350110 have been painted gray, car 66820 has 'QUICKER JOURNEYS TO LONDON' on the side
and 66870 has 'FASTER TRAIN JOURNEYS'. The gray paint has been partially extended onto the driving cars.
I need to get the (roughly ) 7pm ish one from cannock to brum tomorrow will there be a replacement bus running?
Quote from: bob on August 23, 2013, 07:57:41 PM
I need to get the (roughly ) 7pm ish one from cannock to brum tomorrow will there be a replacement bus running?
Yes, but you will have to leave about 30 min earlier and change onto a train at Tame Bridge (or get off in Walsall and catch the X51)
Are they running 30mins earlierfrom cannock then?
Quote from: bob on August 23, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
Are they running 30mins earlierfrom cannock then?
Buses are leaving Cannock at xx.15 and xx.45 from 06:15 taking 23 minutes to get to Walsall and 42 minutes to Tame Bridge, ie arriving at ..07 & xx.37. Trains leave Tame Bridge at xx.07 & xx.37! I hope they are waiting for the buses!
I chose the X51 to get into work this morning, 4128 was my bus, here it is in Cannock Bus Station in yet another livery variation for its history
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4128.html
I best see if I can find a timetable as the evening journeys run at slightly different times and are hourly I think?
Any extra passengers with the trains runnimg as they were?
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
47 horrible urban 90 seats wedged into an old vibrating dart, looks like LM are trying to find the worst possible bus for rail replacement to make their trains look good.
47 seats for about 100 people wanting to get on the bus, the one bus leaving today for Walsall a central buses dart was rammed to the door surely double deckers from someone like NXWM would be more ideal. If the bus goes the right way there would be no low bridges between Tame Bridge and Walsall.
Quote from: Ash on August 23, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
47 horrible urban 90 seats wedged into an old vibrating dart, looks like LM are trying to find the worst possible bus for rail replacement to make their trains look good.
47 seats for about 100 people wanting to get on the bus, the one bus leaving today for Walsall a central buses dart was rammed to the door surely double deckers from someone like NXWM would be more ideal. If the bus goes the right way there would be no low bridges between Tame Bridge and Walsall.
Green Bus did have deckers on there including a couple of the latest Spectras. I saw the Central dart arrive at Walsall rammed while I was sat waiting on this uncomfortable heap http://wmbusphotos.com/otherWarks/J60TJT.html
The rammed central buses dart I saw would have been the 17:08 departure from Tame Bridge not sure it would be the same bus you saw. I did see a couple of green buses spectra's running around but may be I was looking closely but I didn't see rail replacement on the blinds well at least not the rear ones.
Quote from: Ash on August 23, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
The rammed central buses dart I saw would have been the 17:08 departure from Tame Bridge not sure it would be the same bus you saw. I did see a couple of green buses spectra's running around but may be I was looking closely but I didn't see rail replacement on the blinds well at least not the rear ones.
Yes same bus, That dart was on the 1731 from Walsall duplicating the central dart
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
I chose the X51 to get into work this morning, 4128 was my bus, here it is in Cannock Bus Station in yet another livery variation for its history
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4128.html
Caught an x51 that came through from Cannock aswell yesterday (would have been the 06:35 ex cannock), normally less than half full, yesterday was standing room only, very noticeable difference
If only it was like that more often they might start running an all day service like we always used to have
Saw a few VIP darts on the rail replacement service today. The buses looked in a right state externally not a good advertisement at all.
I went to Walsall on Friday, their was a woman from cabline(?) who appeared to be doing the controlling told a girl in front of me it was non stop to Walsall and I said to the woman "is it taxis to Bescot then?" to which she responded "I suppose so".
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The Spectra I caught ran via Bescot but didn't stop!
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A Central Dart parked up at Walsall had boards on Walsall-Bescot-TBP.
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Any ideas what TJT Dart J60TJT was?
Quote from: mikestone on August 28, 2013, 07:06:18 PM
I went to Walsall on Friday, their was a woman from cabline(?) who appeared to be doing the controlling told a girl in front of me it was non stop to Walsall and I said to the woman "is it taxis to Bescot then?" to which she responded "I suppose so".
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The Spectra I caught ran via Bescot but didn't stop!
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A Central Dart parked up at Walsall had boards on Walsall-Bescot-TBP.
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Any ideas what TJT Dart J60TJT was?
New as 98-C-22530 first registered T479 PNV when imported from Eire
Quote from: mikestone on August 28, 2013, 07:06:18 PM
I went to Walsall on Friday, their was a woman from cabline(?) who appeared to be doing the controlling told a girl in front of me it was non stop to Walsall and I said to the woman "is it taxis to Bescot then?" to which she responded "I suppose so".
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The Spectra I caught ran via Bescot but didn't stop!
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A Central Dart parked up at Walsall had boards on Walsall-Bescot-TBP.
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Any ideas what TJT Dart J60TJT was?
Yah
If you catch a green bus, on the luggage rack will be a document detailing cablines detailed guide on how to get to each station
It helps when you never done RR before :)
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 28, 2013, 08:12:43 PM
Yah
If you catch a green bus, on the luggage rack will be a document detailing cablines detailed guide on how to get to each station
It helps when you never done RR before :)
You mean they actually have directions? Cause green bus and central buses on Monday seemed to be taking different routes
Quote from: Kevin on August 28, 2013, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 28, 2013, 08:12:43 PM
Yah
If you catch a green bus, on the luggage rack will be a document detailing cablines detailed guide on how to get to each station
It helps when you never done RR before :)
You mean they actually have directions? Cause green bus and central buses on Monday seemed to be taking different routes
Correct
There is a detailed guide produced by Cabline very detailed
For example
Tame Bridge Parkway - Walsall
Straight on x road , left by petrol station
ANd a picture underneath showing DROPOFF/PICKUP location in colour
If i get a copy - will scan through
If only nx could provide a fast service from cannock to brum it might just be a credible alternative. The 3 x51s are handy but they seem to take for bloody ever
Quote from: bob on August 29, 2013, 05:54:17 PM
If only nx could provide a fast service from cannock to brum it might just be a credible alternative. The 3 x51s are handy but they seem to take for bloody ever
65 minutes? not easily going to beat that with traffic nowadays
Its longer than that surely tony? I thought the 5, 05 ish from brum got to cannock about 625pm?
Quote from: bob on August 29, 2013, 06:38:10 PM
Its longer than that surely tony? I thought the 5, 05 ish from brum got to cannock about 625pm?
Coming back takes a bit longer, but the 7:05 from Cannock in the morning is due in Brum at 8:10, and when I caught it last Friday that was about perfect timing, arrived on time without waiting anywhere or rushing
Ah I see. I wish theyd run it all day though its a pity there isnt enough demand
Details of new timetables from December on the Stourbridge Line are new available on the S.L.U.G website:
Highlights include more trains for Hartlebury and more through to Stratford. :)
Lowlights if you like are still no earlier Sunday trains and still no co-ordination on evening trains between LM and Chiltern. :(
http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/news%20and%20comment.html
Blakedown and Hagley will be served by trains that start/terminate at Kidderminster off peak instead of Worcester trains.
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The Walsall line services are changing to give a regular 15-minute interval from New St. Most of the semi-fasts are going to run the opposite way round, in via Aston and out via Soho Road.
Quote from: mikestone on November 04, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Blakedown and Hagley will be served by trains that start/terminate at Kidderminster off peak instead of Worcester trains.
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The Walsall line services are changing to give a regular 15-minute interval from New St. Most of the semi-fasts are going to run the opposite way round, in via Aston and out via Soho Road.
Supposed to be bringing Platform 3 into full use at Walsall so trains can depart northbound as well. Semi fasts will leave New Street at xx12 and xx42 instead of xx07 and xx39
Journey times between Birmingham Snow Hill/Moor Street & Worcester are slightly improved now omitting Hagley & Blakedown. Langley Green, Old Hill & Lye are now served by Stourbridge Junction terminators/departures. Hagley & Blakedown are now served by Kidderminster terminators/departures, but additional Worcester terminators/departures at peaks. but no earlier Sunday journeys, Stourbridge to Dorridge stopper finishes service at 17:22, and there's still that odd 12:39 Whitlock's End to Stourbridge Junction working Mon-Fri, meaning an hourly gap in services between Hagley/Blakedown in both directions
Platform 3 at Walsall has been available for northbound departures from Walsall since August, but currently, and in the new TT, almost all departures towards Cannock clash with a departure towards Birmingham or a train waiting to form a Birmingham service. I've not seen a train run through 3 yet but real time trains suggests the occasional freight has done so.
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Quote from: D10 on November 04, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
Details of new timetables from December on the Stourbridge Line are new available on the S.L.U.G website:
Highlights include more trains for Hartlebury and more through to Stratford. :)
Lowlights if you like are still no earlier Sunday trains and still no co-ordination on evening trains between LM and Chiltern. :(
http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/news%20and%20comment.html
There's some useful information on the SLUG website, especially under the Timetables and Stations tabs - for instance, connecting bus services at each station.
I have also been told that SLUG are talking to the TOC's about earlier Sunday services, better spacing of evening services, through services from Marylebone on Saturday evenings, and evening and Sunday services for Hartlebury.
Quote from: Roy on November 05, 2013, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: D10 on November 04, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
Details of new timetables from December on the Stourbridge Line are new available on the S.L.U.G website:
Highlights include more trains for Hartlebury and more through to Stratford. :)
Lowlights if you like are still no earlier Sunday trains and still no co-ordination on evening trains between LM and Chiltern. :(
http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/news%20and%20comment.html
There's some useful information on the SLUG website, especially under the Timetables and Stations tabs - for instance, connecting bus services at each station.
I have also been told that SLUG are talking to the TOC's about earlier Sunday services, better spacing of evening services, through services from Marylebone on Saturday evenings, and evening and Sunday services for Hartlebury.
Some later services to Dorridge/Stratford as well as smaller stations (Langley Green, Old Hill, Lye) on Sunday would be welcomed ;)
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 05, 2013, 10:43:13 PM
Some later services to Dorridge/Stratford as well as smaller stations (Langley Green, Old Hill, Lye) on Sunday would be welcomed ;)
I agree with you and have asked a friend on SLUG if they could add Sunday evening services at Lye, Old Hill and Langley Green to their wish list for discussing with London Midland.
Services east of Birmingham are represented by other user groups (SALRUA and Shakespeare Line Promotion Group).
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
They would've provided a road transport alternative, they have to, if it's the last train. LM were poor last night
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 08, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
They would've provided a road transport alternative, they have to, if it's the last train. LM were poor last night
It wasn't cancelled!
The 2217 from New Street was cancelled, passenger put on the 2247 to Walsall with a coach onward, the 2318 left 17 minutes late at 23:35
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 08, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
They would've provided a road transport alternative, they have to, if it's the last train. LM were poor last night
It wasn't cancelled!
The 2217 from New Street was cancelled, passenger put on the 2247 to Walsall with a coach onward, the 2318 left 17 minutes late at 23:35
Tony please don't let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 08, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
They would've provided a road transport alternative, they have to, if it's the last train. LM were poor last night
It wasn't cancelled!
The 2217 from New Street was cancelled, passenger put on the 2247 to Walsall with a coach onward, the 2318 left 17 minutes late at 23:35
...also had one carriage less than it should and a fight broke out on board....
Me dad gave up on it at Perry Barr and walked home from there
Quote from: Kevin on December 08, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 08, 2013, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
Apparently people were sat on the last train from new st to cannock/Hednesford last night to be told it was cancelled. ....good service from LM again not lol
They would've provided a road transport alternative, they have to, if it's the last train. LM were poor last night
It wasn't cancelled!
The 2217 from New Street was cancelled, passenger put on the 2247 to Walsall with a coach onward, the 2318 left 17 minutes late at 23:35
...also had one carriage less than it should and a fight broke out on board....
Me dad gave up on it at Perry Barr and walked home from there
It's only meant ot be a 2car 170
Ive seen a gang of lads absolutely batter a man on the late train back from brum to cannock. I remember thinking where the hell are the train staff?? Why havent they pulled the cord? Why havent the police been called? It wasnt just a scuffle it was horrendous a full on battering. The conductor was nowhere to be seen
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 07:44:57 PM
Ive seen a gang of lads absolutely batter a man on the late train back from brum to cannock. I remember thinking where the hell are the train staff?? Why havent they pulled the cord? Why havent the police been called? It wasnt just a scuffle it was horrendous a full on battering. The conductor was nowhere to be seen
Has it occured to you that the conductor may not even have been aware of the incident? And what did you do about it?
The conductor didnt even come round to check tickets at all...so its no surprise he wasnt around when the fighting broke out. The people fighting were drunk or drugged up. I didnt want to end up beaten up by 10-15 blokes so I didn't get involved
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
The conductor didnt even come round to check tickets at all...so its no surprise he wasnt around when the fighting broke out. The people fighting were drunk or drugged up. I didnt want to end up beaten up by 10-15 blokes so I didn't get involved
But it is OK for the conductor to end up beaten up by 10-15 blokes?
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
The conductor didnt even come round to check tickets at all...so its no surprise he wasnt around when the fighting broke out. The people fighting were drunk or drugged up. I didnt want to end up beaten up by 10-15 blokes so I didn't get involved
Didn't call the police either then?
I didnt say that tony? But they couldve pulled the chain/police etc
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2013, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: Kevin on December 08, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
...also had one carriage less than it should and a fight broke out on board....
Me dad gave up on it at Perry Barr and walked home from there
It's only meant ot be a 2car 170
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You say "meant" you mean "diagrammed"... Going on numbers of people who use it I'd say it's meant to be 4 car but that would be logic. What I think I meant originally was when they take the single class 153 off the end
Quote from: mikestone on November 04, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Blakedown and Hagley will be served by trains that start/terminate at Kidderminster off peak instead of Worcester trains.
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The Walsall line services are changing to give a regular 15-minute interval from New St. Most of the semi-fasts are going to run the opposite way round, in via Aston and out via Soho Road.
This should also put a stop to the late running of Birmingham to Walsall (all stops) trains, which are often between 2-6 minutes late due to slower preceding trains between Wolverhampton to Birmingham having to leave Wolverhampton before the stopper, for obvious reasons
Does the 170/6 + 153 formation between Worcester and Dorridge still exist? The 1317 Shrub Hill to Dorridge is now formed of 3 coaches, presumably a 172/3
Yes the 1803 dorridge to stourbridge is allways a 153+170,I dont know what it does before that.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on December 12, 2013, 11:42:46 AM
Yes the 1803 dorridge to stourbridge is allways a 153+170,I dont know what it does before that.
Before the timetable change it used to do the:
1317 WOS - DDG
1446 DDG - WOS
1617 WOS - DDG
1803 DDG - SBJ
Looking at the timetable, it only does:
1613 WOF - DDG
1803 DDG - SBJ
Therefore it must arrive as empty stock for the 1613
[EDIT] I've worked it out now! the 170/6 + 153 does the:
1251 WOS - WHE
1419 WHE - WOF
1613 WOF - DDG
1803 DDG - SBJ
Which are timed at 75mph, the others now been 100mph, although only really relevant to trains that run to Leamington.
Quote from: bob on December 08, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
I didnt say that tony? But they couldve pulled the chain/police etc
Pulled the chain so the train is stopped in the middle of nowhere and they you are all trapped on a train with some nutters???
Theres no Logic there lad. Ok conductor should of done his rounds, but remember there is not much the conductor could of done that you couldnt of. And this is wrong with society nobody wants to say anything you could of easily moved away from the scene and called the police?
So my verdict you are just as guilt as the conductor.
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Must say that the 350s have now bought us an affordable alternative to Virgin Trains to London Euston. Yes its an increased journey time, but the 350s are comfortable and London Midland have some cheap fares, even if you turn up on the day unlike Virgin who charge expensive on the day.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Must say that the 350s have now bought us an affordable alternative to Virgin Trains to London Euston. Yes its an increased journey time, but the 350s are comfortable and London Midland have some cheap fares, even if you turn up on the day unlike Virgin who charge expensive on the day.
Couldn't agree more Stu :)
The 350s are better than the Pendos in my opinion. I'd much rather ride on a 350 than a 390. Virgin and Chiltern journey times into London can be significantly shorter than those of London Midland
Quote from: Rob H on January 08, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Must say that the 350s have now bought us an affordable alternative to Virgin Trains to London Euston. Yes its an increased journey time, but the 350s are comfortable and London Midland have some cheap fares, even if you turn up on the day unlike Virgin who charge expensive on the day.
Couldn't agree more Stu :)
And not always slower for some journeys. From my local station, Hednesford, to Euston is about the same total journey time catching a train to Birmingham and changing onto a Virgin service as it is catching a train the other way to Rugeley Trent Valley and changing onto one of the new 110 mph 350/1 services there, just over 2 hours which ever way I go!
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
Interestingly, just had a tweet from Trans - Pennine saying they have invested £60m on 10 new trains for the Manchester to Scotland line, no mention the trains are being leased from LM?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
Interestingly, just had a tweet from Trans - Pennine saying they have invested £60m on 10 new trains for the Manchester to Scotland line, no mention the trains are being leased from LM?
Well Transpennine haven't 'invested' any money in them. They are owned by Angel Trains, who also own the 350/1 and 350/4. The DfT made London Midland the 'lead' operator in getting Angel to buy the trains by guaranteeing their use for 'x' number of years after both franchises end. It seems what DfT are hoping for is when Trans-Pennine gets relet whoever takes that over,(of if First keep it) They will make a franchise commitment to lease new more suitable trains meaning the new operator of London Midland can get 10 extra units for future growth of a type already in service.
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 08, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:19 AM
Does anyone know when the Class 350/3s are due to enter service? Have they even been built yet?
I was told by a 'diagrammer' first one may be delivered mid February, all should be in service by August
sorry to sound foolish, but what will the difference be between a 350/1 or /2 & a 350/3?
350/1 were the original 30 that were originally ordered as class 450 for South West Trains, but the DfT transferred them to Silverlink in the plain grey livery. They have 2+2 seating with tables and have been modified to be capable of 110mph when on London-Crewe workings. They also have the facility to have 3rd rail shoes refitted to make them dual voltage.
350/2 were ordered as part of the franchise deal awarded to London Midland to replace all of the 321s (in the end 7 321s were kept, but this was not the original plan). They have 2+3 seating without tables, although more facing seats and are restricted to 100mph.
350/3 are an additional order to increase capacity on Euston services and the cross-city, by displacing 323s of other services, they are the first ones built to 110mph spec.
350/4 are from the same order as the 350/3, but are on sub-lease from London Midland to Trans-Pennine for use on Manchester-Scotland services until more suitable units are ordered when they should transfer back to local services. Different interior spec to the 350/3 and I believe are currently limited to 100mph
Interestingly, just had a tweet from Trans - Pennine saying they have invested £60m on 10 new trains for the Manchester to Scotland line, no mention the trains are being leased from LM?
Well Transpennine haven't 'invested' any money in them. They are owned by Angel Trains, who also own the 350/1 and 350/4. The DfT made London Midland the 'lead' operator in getting Angel to buy the trains by guaranteeing their use for 'x' number of years after both franchises end. It seems what DfT are hoping for is when Trans-Pennine gets relet whoever takes that over,(of if First keep it) They will make a franchise commitment to lease new more suitable trains meaning the new operator of London Midland can get 10 extra units for future growth of a type already in service.
Thanks for that Tony, shows how mis-leading these things can seem.
350403 entered its first day of service Monday, on the Manchester - Edinburgh service, looks immaculate to say the least, no interior photos unfortunately :(:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheekymonkey56/11801763554/in/contacts/
My dad got a staff newsletter about the 350/3 as a rumour started to circulate that London Midland wasn't getting them. There's 9 points listed as to what will be different such a coupler heaters fitted from build, and GSM-R fitted rather than NRN and CSR
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
The 3503xx's are going to used with 323's on Cross City. This is due Bromsgrove getting wires. People of Redditch are expecting to see them as they have been told in the local papers abou
Quote from: tank90 on January 09, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
The 3503xx's are going to used with 323's on Cross City. This is due Bromsgrove getting wires. People of Redditch are expecting to see them as they have been told in the local papers abou
They are not going on the Cross City, you only have to look at both the DfT and London Midland press releases for this. 323s displaced by the 350s are to be used on the Bromsgrove extension
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
The current rumour is that the International Shuttle will go back onto either the Wolves or Walsall, leaving one or the other of those as stand alone. All will be 350 run with the 323's going onto cross city and eventually the Bromsgrove work.
Quote from: tank90 on January 09, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
The 3503xx's are going to used with 323's on Cross City. This is due Bromsgrove getting wires. People of Redditch are expecting to see them as they have been told in the local papers abou
I think there are capability issues with the 323s & 350s, the plan is to use all 323s on the CrossCity line so most diagrams will be 6 cars long
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: tank90 on January 09, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 07:02:14 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 08, 2014, 07:31:09 PM
350/1s much preferred in my opinion. Presumably all 26 Class 323s will be used on the CrossCity Line when the 350/3s come, does that mean the New Street - International shuttle will become Class 350?
Most likely yes, as will the Walsall and Wolves stoppers
I knew they were destined for the Walsall - Wolverhamptons, I was just wondering the fate of the International shuttle. It will more than likely be Class 350 to allow another 323 to be used on the CrossCity line
The 3503xx's are going to used with 323's on Cross City. This is due Bromsgrove getting wires. People of Redditch are expecting to see them as they have been told in the local papers abou
I think there are capability issues with the 323s & 350s, the plan is to use all 323s on the CrossCity line so most diagrams will be 6 cars long
More to the point, why on earth would you buy brand new 110mph trains to use on the Cross-City where trains very rarely get above 50mph?
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
More to the point, why on earth would you buy brand new 110mph trains to use on the Cross-City where trains very rarely get above 50mph?
Be honest the same could be said about the Walsall service, seems a tad wasted but never mind
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
More to the point, why on earth would you buy brand new 110mph trains to use on the Cross-City where trains very rarely get above 50mph?
Be honest the same could be said about the Walsall service, seems a tad wasted but never mind
Good point, although the Walsall - Wolvos can cope with 3/4 coaches, the Cross City line can't, so it makes sense to keep the 323s on the Cross City line so that they can be coupled up to 6 cars
There likely to be few, if any, extra six car workings as the sets released will be needed for the 20 minute service to Redditch and extension of the rest to Bromsgrove.
Quote from: mikestone on January 10, 2014, 01:24:06 PM
There likely to be few, if any, extra six car workings as the sets released will be needed for the 20 minute service to Redditch and extension of the rest to Bromsgrove.
When will the electrification to Bromsgrove be ready? 2014 or 2019?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 10, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
Quote from: mikestone on January 10, 2014, 01:24:06 PM
There likely to be few, if any, extra six car workings as the sets released will be needed for the 20 minute service to Redditch and extension of the rest to Bromsgrove.
When will the electrification to Bromsgrove be ready? 2014 or 2019?
Depends more on the building of the replacement station at Bromsgrove than how fast the wires can be put up
http://www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk/news/local/10882559.Construction_can_now_begin_on_Bromsgrove_Railway_Station/
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suggests 2015 for the station and 2016 for the wires.
Quote from: mikestone on January 10, 2014, 01:24:06 PM
There likely to be few, if any, extra six car workings as the sets released will be needed for the 20 minute service to Redditch and extension of the rest to Bromsgrove.
Will that many extra 323s be required for the Redditch loop? I would only think it would be an extra 2/3 on the current layover times
2/3 is all they are going to have - 7 of the 350/3s are for Euston suburban
Staff on strike again.
London Midland's first new 350/3 (350368) is due to be delivered on 9th April. Initial shakedown running and testing will take place Monday to Friday with a run from Northampton to Stafford and back, in Stafford arround 11am.
Quote from: Dylan4579 on February 28, 2014, 08:00:55 AM
Staff on strike again.
Did anybody have any problems? I travelled on Friday and Saturday on the Snow Hill line and had no trouble.
Quote from: D10 on March 03, 2014, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on February 28, 2014, 08:00:55 AM
Staff on strike again.
Did anybody have any problems? I travelled on Friday and Saturday on the Snow Hill line and had no trouble.
It was a small number of 'non-operational' TSSA members that does not affect the running of the trains directly
First TransPennine Express have just one more Class 350 left to be delivered to complete their present order, we should see the new London Midland 350's arriving at about 2 units per month.
Quote from: JIM H on March 03, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
First TransPennine Express have just one more Class 350 left to be delivered to complete their present order, we should see the new London Midland 350's arriving at about 2 units per month.
I was shown the full delivery schedule this morning by one of LM's fleet Managers, at least they are fairly close to 350/1 spec. Surprised me the numbers are going to be 350 368-377, all reference I had seen before today referred to 350301-10
Quote from: D10 on March 03, 2014, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on February 28, 2014, 08:00:55 AM
Staff on strike again.
Did anybody have any problems? I travelled on Friday and Saturday on the Snow Hill line and had no trouble.
A few Birmingham - Liverpools got cancelled, to my displeasure
I suppose it makes sense to start the new batch of LM Class 350's with 350368 because it keeps their batch in numerical order if you use only the last two digits, although as you say, all previous info i've seen states it would be 350301.
Quote from: D10 on March 03, 2014, 08:52:39 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on February 28, 2014, 08:00:55 AM
Staff on strike again.
Did anybody have any problems? I travelled on Friday and Saturday on the Snow Hill line and had no trouble.
Cancellations on Saturday afternoon/evening, 1/2 hourly service from Kidderminster. No idea if this was a staffing or engineering issue, didn't bother checking as I fell out of the K&C in time for a service thanks to RTT.
One thing that severely annoys me though is when there are weekend cancellations (for whatever reason) on this line, the remaining services are NEVER strengthened. You can travel off peak during the week & 10 min. frequency services are up to load 5. Yet come the evening rush on a Saturday with half the services cancelled, yes you've guessed it just 2 coaches >:( . - Still, that's preferable to the abject s***e rail replacement services which I avoid like the plague when they are in operation.
Quote from: JIM H on March 03, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
First TransPennine Express have just one more Class 350 left to be delivered to complete their present order, we should see the new London Midland 350's arriving at about 2 units per month.
I saw the latest TP unit (350409) in the maintenance shop at Ardwick traincare depot (8th March). I was told It will need some repairs due to a buffer-shunt apparently. (It was quite possible that 408 may have been behind it but not visible). 403+407 were in service, and 401,402,404 and ixIUD were stabled outside. I believe unit 406 was stabled at preston earlier in the day for D/training.
First TransPennine Express last Class 350, 350410 was delivered to Manchester today.
LM'S new batch are next.
Quote from: JIM H on March 15, 2014, 06:09:45 PM
First TransPennine Express last Class 350, 350410 was delivered to Manchester today.
LM'S new batch are next.
350368 & 350369 are due to arrive at Kings Heath depot (Northampton not Birmingham) this Wednesday. They should venture out under their own power for the first time on 7th April with a test run to Stafford & back, due in Stafford around 11am
350368 through Nuneaton at 11.58 on its way back to Northampton from Stafford, in LM livery.
Quote from: JIM H on April 07, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
350368 through Nuneaton at 11.58 on its way back to Northampton from Stafford, in LM livery.
Not out tomorrow, so don't bother going looking for it!
Stay away from the Wolverhampton - Birmingham line tonight if you can help it. A line side fire at Dudley Port means trains are cancelled, delayed and late running. All the Liverpools are calling at all stations, but even they are running late. Shrewsburys are terminating at Wolverhampton
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 19, 2014, 09:53:54 PM
Stay away from the Wolverhampton - Birmingham line tonight if you can help it. A line side fire at Dudley Port means trains are cancelled, delayed and late running. All the Liverpools are calling at all stations, but even they are running late. Shrewsburys are terminating at Wolverhampton
Yep, baled off the 17:58 ex Stourbridge this evening at Galton Bridge, in order to catch the Arriva to B'ham International. Of course, you don't find out about the chaos until the 172 doors are closing. Cue 20-ish minute wait for the next Snow Hill service - which of course was a s*dding 2 car unit.
To top it off, my 350 from New Street was a further 12 minutes late due to various other farces...
350368 http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350368.html
350369 http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350369.html
ran North from Northampton to Crewe today for storage before entering service in a couple of weeks
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2014, 10:31:04 PM
350368 http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350368.html
350369 http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350369.html
ran North from Northampton to Crewe today for storage before entering service in a couple of weeks
I take it they'll be stored until the May timetable begins?
Seems rather odd to store them at Crewe they already have to stable some in the platforms overnight, not a good idea given their propensity for toilet defects..
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It has been stated that they are going on hire to TPE for the duration of the Commonwealth games - certainly there is no reference to the extra trains from Euston in LM's new booklet.
One change that is going ahead is that the 06.52 Crewe-Euston will be eight cars and no longer call at Alsager, Kidsgrove and Stone with the 06.56 Crewe-Birmingham starting at 06.35 and stopping there instead - its a pity they don't show as much concern for the general public as Network Rail staff travelling to Milton Keynes!
New LM timetables for May are up, if anyone's interested:
http://www.londonmidland.com/your-journey/timetables/timetables-from-18May/
Before anyone says anything, I don't know how long they've been up for
New LM units 350371-350373 at Northampton today.
350371 in station siding, the other 2 outside the depot, having arrived 2/6/2014.
350370 is reported in the sidings at Bletchley.
Anyone notice the weekday Crewe - London Euston via Birmingham New St, London Euston - Crewe via Birmingham New St working in the new timetable :P
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Anyone notice the weekday Crewe - London Euston via Birmingham New St, London Euston - Crewe via Birmingham New St working in the new timetable :P
No, when is? Can't find it just quickly glancing through them
Quote from: Kevin on June 07, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
Anyone notice the weekday Crewe - London Euston via Birmingham New St, London Euston - Crewe via Birmingham New St working in the new timetable :P
No, when is? Can't find it just quickly glancing through them
Departing Crewe at 0647, arriving in Euston at 1018 (calls at Sandwell & Dudley and Smethwick Galton Bridge), the return departs London Euston at 2046, arriving at Crewe at 0013 (this one runs as the 2309 from Birmingham New St, which calls at all stations to Wolverhampton, then all stations to Crewe)
1646 Euston-crewe leaving Rugeley 1829 was formed 8 coaches tonight 350101 leading not sure if this is the norm.
Quote from: tphi12000 on June 09, 2014, 08:00:45 PM
1646 Euston-crewe leaving Rugeley 1829 was formed 8 coaches tonight 350101 leading not sure if this is the norm.
Yes, that is booked. Train should split at Stafford, 4 cars run empty to Crewe direct and 4 cars run via Stoke to Crewe, can't call an 8-car presently at Stone or Kidsgrove.
The 22:17 Birmingham New Street to Rugeley Trent Valley is formed of one 153, I bet that's a fun journey!
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 11, 2014, 10:52:07 PM
The 22:17 Birmingham New Street to Rugeley Trent Valley is formed of one 153, I bet that's a fun journey!
Had it once a few years ago as the 23:18!!!!!
It was waiting at new st presumably for a turbostar to come in and attach so it could go out as a 3 car unit, but as the time came and went it never showed up, so they just dispatched it as a single car, much to the driver's amusement
How many trains are used on the CrossCity line (Monday-Friday)? I think it's 14, but I don't know for sure
I was pleasantly surprised to have my ticket checked on the 2143 from Kidder tonight, of all the times for revenue protection to be active I did not expect late on a Sunday night to be one
Quote from: Matt on June 22, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to have my ticket checked on the 2143 from Kidder tonight, of all the times for revenue protection to be active I did not expect late on a Sunday night to be one
thats how to catch people out when they least expect
to have ur tickets checked like on the bus the turn up anywhere
You can expect the revenue protection team to be out and about a lot later in the next few months!!
Quote from: midlandred2003 on June 26, 2014, 09:16:52 AM
You can expect the revenue protection team to be out and about a lot later in the next few months!!
That's good, I dare say they're needed on the Stourbridge line!
From yesterday's journey check it would appear that the 09.43 from Rugeley now forms the 11.05 to Shrewsbury
I've always wondered this. At Birmingham New Street, how come there are no announcements for trains at Platform 4C? The thought occurred to me again today when the train I was on, 12:46 arrival from Liverpool Lime St, was re-platformed to platform 5b, and announcements were made for it
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
LM do love to cram everybody on to 2 or 3 Carriage trains at weekends, I have had several very crowded Saturday and Sunday journeys on the Snow Hill line. >:(
Quote from: D10 on July 26, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
LM do love to cram everybody on to 2 or 3 Carriage trains at weekends, I have had several very crowded Saturday and Sunday journeys on the Snow Hill line. >:(
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Your lucky. I've only just got home because of cancellations because of 'Staff shortages' agai
Quote from: D10 on July 26, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
LM do love to cram everybody on to 2 or 3 Carriage trains at weekends, I have had several very crowded Saturday and Sunday journeys on the Snow Hill line. >:(
They seem to be trying today. The 0929 Stratford to Great Malvern train was 5 carriages (normally 2) and the 1029 Stratford to Worcester SH was 4 carriages (normally 2).
Quote from: Roy on July 27, 2014, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: D10 on July 26, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
LM do love to cram everybody on to 2 or 3 Carriage trains at weekends, I have had several very crowded Saturday and Sunday journeys on the Snow Hill line. >:(
They seem to be trying today. The 0929 Stratford to Great Malvern train was 5 carriages (normally 2) and the 1029 Stratford to Worcester SH was 4 carriages (normally 2).
There may well be some shortages this week as there have been multiple and serious 'tagging' incidents at both Coventry and Bletchley over the weekend.
All xx:38 Birmingham New Streets to Wokverhamptons have been displaying as running one minute late all day. Not sure why
Because that is the WTT departure time from New St, or are you saying that the CIS at the station is showing an ETD of xx.39?
Quote from: D10 on July 26, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
I see no extra carriages have been provided for the Stratford-Stourbridge diagrams this weekend ???
LM do love to cram everybody on to 2 or 3 Carriage trains at weekends, I have had several very crowded Saturday and Sunday journeys on the Snow Hill line. >:(
Saturday night trips from Birmingham to cannock on the chase line are a nightmare. 2 carriage trains all the while. Rammed full of standees. On sat the 20.19 one was subject to a platform change at the last minute leading to everyone rushing to the new platform then the train left about ten mins late crammed full. Its not a brilliant service. No conductor on way there or back and no one checking tickets funnily enough at new st.
Quote from: mikestone on August 05, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
Because that is the WTT departure time from New St, or are you saying that the CIS at the station is showing an ETD of xx.39?
At my station, Smethwick Galton Bridge, the Wolverhamptons depart at xx:16 and xx:46, the xx:46 were showing as xx:46, but estimated arrival time was 1 minute late, at xx:47 for all trains (if that makes any sense at all)
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if you look at this
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http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P64991/2014/08/06/advanced
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you will see the working time is 46 1/2 to 47. Since TRUST works on whole minutes , the arrival will default to 47.
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TRUST works on working times, and thus will predict an arrival at xx.47 if on time - I believe the interface between TRUST and CIS systems should take into account differences between the advertised time and the working time but doesn't always.
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- we used to have some quite substantial differences on Crewe-Manchester locals where the WTT departures were several minutes later, something like xx.50 public and xx.54 working and would show as expected xx.54 - a bit tough if you arrive at xx.49 and think you have plenty of time!"
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Quote from: Sh4318 on August 05, 2014, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: mikestone on August 05, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
Because that is the WTT departure time from New St, or are you saying that the CIS at the station is showing an ETD of xx.39?
At my station, Smethwick Galton Bridge, the Wolverhamptons depart at xx:16 and xx:46, the xx:46 were showing as xx:46, but estimated arrival time was 1 minute late, at xx:47 for all trains (if that makes any sense at all)
I noticed this on Monday night at Tipton but didn't pay any attention to it at the time. My service was showing as one minute late on RTT (this was prior to scheduled start time @ Wolvo') & on the CIS @ the station.
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
Quote from: JIM H on August 06, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 06, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: JIM H on August 06, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves
I photographed 350374 in passenger use on Monday
http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350374.html
Quote from: Tony on August 06, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 06, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: JIM H on August 06, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves
I photographed 350374 in passenger use on Monday
http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350374.html
I've been to Manchester 3 times this year and I keep missing the 350/4 depatures to Scotland, maybe I'll have to go a fourth time and get a few 350/4s
Quote from: JIM H on August 06, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
reported elsewhere 377 was delivered yesterday with 376.
Quote from: Tony on August 06, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 06, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: JIM H on August 06, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
New 350376 through Nuneaton today on test at 15.38. Only one to come to complete the order for LM
Quite excited to see the 350/3's in action in December, hopefully I can snap them all asap. Not looking forward to 350/1's replacing 323s on the Walsall - Wolves
I photographed 350374 in passenger use on Monday
http://wmbusphotos.com/Trains/class350/350374.html
London Midland livery in glasgow, love it!
Taking a peak of the new December timetable on my London Midland app on my phone. I've noticed Smethwick Galton Bridge low level is now 2 trains per hour on Sunday. The Liverpool-Birmingham services now stop at Smethwick Galton Bridge in both directions, at xx:42 towards Liverpool/Crewe and xx:08 towards Birmingham New Street
December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays. Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Quote from: mikestone on November 14, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays. Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: mikestone on November 14, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays. Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays
You would think so wouldn't you? but LM are keen on having the mark 2's on Euston lines due to seating capacity, eventhough the passengers hate them and of course they still can't do 110 yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mark 1's that ended up on Walsall to Wolves. There's also the mileage to consider, LM are already in dispute over mileage charges so they may be trying to restrict the mark 1's.
Anyone know if the chase line is running normally tomorrow or is it replacement buses???
Quote from: Bob on November 14, 2014, 08:54:55 PM
Anyone know if the chase line is running normally tomorrow or is it replacement buses???
A quick check on London Midland's website and on National Rail suggests no rail replacement on the Chase Line tomorrow.
Quote from: andy on November 14, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: mikestone on November 14, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
December timetable leaflets are now on the LM website - most SX Wolverhampton-Walsall trains are shown with first class, but not on Saturdays. Presumably the trains concerned are booked cl.350.
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Looking at open train times the Wolverhampton - Walsall's will be completely Class 350. Presumably 350/2s, to free up /1s and /3s for Crewe and Birmingham workings. The most impressive thing in the timetable for me is the addition of the Liverpool - Birmingham calls at Smethwick Galton Bridge on Sundays
You would think so wouldn't you? but LM are keen on having the mark 2's on Euston lines due to seating capacity, eventhough the passengers hate them and of course they still can't do 110 yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mark 1's that ended up on Walsall to Wolves. There's also the mileage to consider, LM are already in dispute over mileage charges so they may be trying to restrict the mark 1's.
I hope you're right. I'd take a mark 1 over a mark 2 anyday. Nothing against the /2s, but 3x2 seating, plus the lack of tables/fold down tables on the back of seats isn't exactly ideal for long distance travel, especially to the capital
Ah great thanks
Open train times/real time trains, and I would suggest any similar site, only reflects the class that trains are timed for, and in many cases bears no relation to the actual diagrammed stock one glaring example is the 07.57 Birmingham-Walsall shows Cl.350 and the 08.30 back Cl.153! .
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The LM leaflet suggests that there will be one 323 all day and another couple going on during the afternoon.
Quote from: mikestone on November 15, 2014, 12:17:31 AM
Open train times/real time trains, and I would suggest any similar site, only reflects the class that trains are timed for, and in many cases bears no relation to the actual diagrammed stock one glaring example is the 07.57 Birmingham-Walsall shows Cl.350 and the 08.30 back Cl.153! .
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The LM leaflet suggests that there will be one 323 all day and another couple going on during the afternoon.
Have you got the timings for these 323 workings? Open train times indicates which stock will be operate what service by indicating the train's highest mph. I.e. Class EMU at 100mph clearly indicates a Class 350 working
No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc - 14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Quote from: mikestone on November 16, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc - 14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
Do LM still operate any sprinters now? They used to be a staple of the chase line.
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2014, 10:32:28 AM
Do LM still operate any sprinters now? They used to be a staple of the chase line.
There are still 3 class 150s, one does Bedford-Bletchley, on does a New Street-Hereford diagram and the third is a maintenance spare. There are also the 8 class 153 which turn up on Rugeleys, Worcesters, Bedford-Bletchley, & Coventry-Nuneaton
153? Are they the odd looking single carriage stuck on the front or back of the modern ones at busy times? The ones with opening windows?
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
153? Are they the odd looking single carriage stuck on the front or back of the modern ones at busy times? The ones with opening windows?
Yeah, they are:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/madabouttransport/15633627791/
They were originally 2 carriage Class 155s, but single carriages were converted into Class 153s
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: mikestone on November 16, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc - 14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
Please read what I have written
The timings shown in real time trains, open train times, working timetables and internal computer systems only reflect the timings *not* what is diagrammed. Obviously TOCs will have the trains timed so as to minimise delay payments, although usually standardised to avoid publishing variations of odd minutes - in this case since the line speed is generally 60 or 75 "100 mph timings" are likely to be identical to "90 mph" and I believe are actually slower to account for CL.350s slower door cycle time, Wolverhampton-New St increasing from 24 minutes to 25.
There is a diagram on the Crewe-Manchester line diagrammed Cl.323, but timed for sprinters having been altered to accommodate the absence of the set that struck a road vehicle near Congleton around five years ago and never changed back when the unit returned!
Quote from: mikestone on November 17, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: mikestone on November 16, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc - 14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
Please read what I have written
The timings shown in real time trains, open train times, working timetables and internal computer systems only reflect the timings *not* what is diagrammed. Obviously TOCs will have the trains timed so as to minimise delay payments, although usually standardised to avoid publishing variations of odd minutes - in this case since the line speed is generally 60 or 75 "100 mph timings" are likely to be identical to "90 mph" and I believe are actually slower to account for CL.350s slower door cycle time, Wolverhampton-New St increasing from 24 minutes to 25.
There is a diagram on the Crewe-Manchester line diagrammed Cl.323, but timed for pacers having been altered to accommodate the absence of the set that struck a road vehicle near Congleton around five years ago and never changed back when the unit returned!
I will back Mike up on this. The gentleman who does all diagrams for the units catches the same train into Birmingham as me most mornings and explains the background behind how he allocates units to diagrams
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
The only 350's rated at 100mph are 350/2, the rest are 110mph. 321's are 100mph, but that doesn't mean you'll be getting those either....
Tony, could you have a word with the diagramming guy please & ask him if He knows when 323's were upped from 75 to 90mph? Ta.
Looking into it further the 05.33 Birmingham-Walsall and 06.01 back to Wolverhampton will also be 323 as the next working as the next working is 07.19 to Four Oaks.
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Quote from: mikestone on November 17, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: mikestone on November 16, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
No it doesn't - it merely tells you what class it is timed for, not what is diagrammed. Clearly the difference between 90 and 100 mph timings is irrelevant since the line speed is less than that - the fact that London Midland have gone to the trouble of inserting class 1 symbols on some trains fairly clearly indicates that the others are going to be 323s.
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Perusal of RTT suggests that 323s will do the following Mon-Fri
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set 1
detach of 08.12 Redditch-Lichfield then work
09.08 BHM-WPN etc. - inwards from Walsall being a dmu t/w 09.05 Salop
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set 2
14+25 Soho -New St to work
15.08 BHM-WPN etc - 14.30 Walsall forms 15.01 to Liverpool
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set 3
16+58 Soho-New St to work
17.27 BHM-WSL - 1650 from WPN goes to Coventry
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Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
Please read what I have written
The timings shown in real time trains, open train times, working timetables and internal computer systems only reflect the timings *not* what is diagrammed. Obviously TOCs will have the trains timed so as to minimise delay payments, although usually standardised to avoid publishing variations of odd minutes - in this case since the line speed is generally 60 or 75 "100 mph timings" are likely to be identical to "90 mph" and I believe are actually slower to account for CL.350s slower door cycle time, Wolverhampton-New St increasing from 24 minutes to 25.
There is a diagram on the Crewe-Manchester line diagrammed Cl.323, but timed for sprinters having been altered to accommodate the absence of the set that struck a road vehicle near Congleton around five years ago and never changed back when the unit returned!
EDIT: oh, I see it now. I wasn't taking ECS workings into account. Sorry for the confusion
It's been chaos on the Snow Hill lines today. There were major delays in the AM peak after a points failure at The Hawthorns and signal problems near Stratford.
There were still delays in the Evening peak, with all Stratford trains diverted via Solihull and a coach replacement services serving stations between Whitlock End and Wilmcote, also some delays still on the Stourbridge line.
Quote from: D10 on November 18, 2014, 09:14:56 PM
It's been chaos on the Snow Hill lines today. There were major delays in the AM peak after a points failure at The Hawthorns and signal problems near Stratford.
There were still delays in the Evening peak, with all Stratford trains diverted via Solihull and a coach replacement services serving stations between Whitlock End and Wilmcote, also some delays still on the Stourbridge line.
Hopefully will be solved by tomorrow. Quite a few cancelled trains on the CrossCity line too
Presumably the signal problem near Stratford (at Danzey?) spread somehow, because attempts to even reach Whitlocks End from Birmingham were abandoned around 5 pm for the night. Must have been a long, long return home to stations out in the country - an NXWM 3 to Shirley Station, then a rail replacement coach beyond.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on November 17, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
Incorrect. If you look at all current Sunday workings, on the BHM-WVH stopper, the timings are "Class EMU at 90 mph". If you look at all Sunday workings after the 14th December, the timings are "Class EMU at 100 mph". On the CrossCity line, all workings are "Class EMU at 90 mph" - which, has we know, are all 323 diagrams , BHM-WVH currently have "Class EMU at 90 mph", apart from the ones operated by 350s. I've checked all of your noted workings, and they have "Class EMU at 100 mph" - indicating a class 350 is worked.
Class 323 top speed is 90 mph and Class 350 is 100 mph. Interestingly enough, it seems the International - New St shuttle will continue to be worked by a Class 323
He reckons it was about 1997, just as they were being replaced on the Liverpools by 170s! Apparently from new the cab door seals weren't very good, and above 75 the whistling noise was so bad you couldn't here the AWS!
The only 350's rated at 100mph are 350/2, the rest are 110mph. 321's are 100mph, but that doesn't mean you'll be getting those either....
Tony, could you have a word with the diagramming guy please & ask him if He knows when 323's were upped from 75 to 90mph? Ta.
I for one am excited for the new timetable change. Sundays especially will be very useful for me. 4tph between Smethwick Galton Bridge and Birmingham stations. I'm not happy about almost all Wolverhampton - New St diagrams being Class 350s, but I'll learn to live with that
On a LM train from cannock to Birmingham and was supposed to meet someone on it, theyre in the middle carriage and the bloody door between that and the first one doesnt work so I cant get to them. The conductor ( if theyve bothered their arse to put one on) also cant get to us. So im gonna be faced with a huge queue at new st when I get off. Thanks LM rubbish service as usual
Quote from: Bob on December 13, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
On a LM train from cannock to Birmingham and was supposed to meet someone on it, theyre in the middle carriage and the bloody door between that and the first one doesnt work so I cant get to them. The conductor ( if theyve bothered their arse to put one on) also cant get to us. So im gonna be faced with a huge queue at new st when I get off. Thanks LM rubbish service as usual
Poor Bob........if they ever do another series of "One Foot in the Grave" you would be an absolute shoe in as Victor Meldrew.
That is pretty poor service though? As it happened they didnt even check tickets getting off in brum!
What class is it that they have the blue interior, there my favourite ones
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 16, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
What class is it that they have the blue interior, there my favourite ones
Seat colour is by operator, not class of unit, for instance nearly all London Midland Trains (Class 150/153/170/172/323/350(/2/3) have Green seats, the only non-standard being the 350/1 which were new just before LM took over the franchise
It's a pity though that no-one thought to specify blue seats for 350/3s, as many conductors explain to the "normals" that only the ones with blue seats have tables!!!!
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2014, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 16, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
What class is it that they have the blue interior, there my favourite ones
Seat colour is by operator, not class of unit, for instance nearly all London Midland Trains (Class 150/153/170/172/323/350(/2/3) have Green seats, the only non-standard being the 350/1 which were new just before LM took over the franchise
Oh ok thanks for that info, which ones are your favourite tony?
I think Tonys favorite will be a 170 or a 350
Quote from: Tara4352 on December 16, 2014, 09:21:24 PM
I think Tonys favorite will be a 170 or a 350
Miles off, My favourite is a class 42 or 52 but both have long gone from regular service! and believe it or not in the morning I always choose the 153 over the 170 on my train
Is it the 153 that does the Coventry to Nuneaton
Not a train spotter, so i don't know much about this, but which class run Walsall-Bham New Street?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 16, 2014, 09:42:39 PM
Not a train spotter, so i don't know much about this, but which class run Walsall-Bham New Street?
323 or the 350 which has operated on their the past few days
Quote from: Tara4352 on December 16, 2014, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 16, 2014, 09:42:39 PM
Not a train spotter, so i don't know much about this, but which class run Walsall-Bham New Street?
323 or the 350 which has operated on their the past few days
Think you will find that 153 & 170s also operate that line at the moment until the cannock bit is electrified.
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
While I don't like it as much as you, perhaps you could say where they can get any more carriages from
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
While I don't like it as much as you, perhaps you could say where they can get any more carriages from
I am heartily sick of hearing people go on about there not being enough carriages on the train they happened to catch. They have no understanding whatsoever of how things work. Railways unfortunately cannot be as responsive to seasonal peaks in demand as buses and coaches can as there is a set allocation of rolling stock to each operator and route. If LM want to increase carriage allocations (as they just have on a number) they have to apply to do so. And diesel stock is stretched across the network nationally and generally unavailable. You will see little improvement on the Chase line until electification.
Quote from: andy on December 19, 2014, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
While I don't like it as much as you, perhaps you could say where they can get any more carriages from
I am heartily sick of hearing people go on about there not being enough carriages on the train they happened to catch. They have no understanding whatsoever of how things work. Railways unfortunately cannot be as responsive to seasonal peaks in demand as buses and coaches can as there is a set allocation of rolling stock to each operator and route. If LM want to increase carriage allocations (as they just have on a number) they have to apply to do so. And diesel stock is stretched across the network nationally and generally unavailable. You will see little improvement on the Chase line until electification.
I agree, you cannot have resources sat around doing nothing for most of the year just to cater for extra demand at Christmas.
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
The difference is massive, you can blame a bus company for not having the right number of proper size buses. Train companies cannot jus go down Ensign and bu a second hand train
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
The difference is massive, you can blame a bus company for not having the right number of proper size buses. Train companies cannot jus go down Ensign and bu a second hand train
Also it's not just a case of hiring in trains from other railway companies who may have spare capacity. Drivers and guards need to be trained on those type of trains if they are a class of train they have never operated before, this is costly, plus having to pay for train paths to move those trains to eg:Tyseley, fuel, etc:
It used to be easier in the days before proper privatisation, remember when Regional Railways would hire in pairs of 20s to top and tail coaching stock between Derby and Skegness when it was busy in the summer months.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 19, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
The difference is massive, you can blame a bus company for not having the right number of proper size buses. Train companies cannot jus go down Ensign and bu a second hand train
Also it's not just a case of hiring in trains from other railway companies who may have spare capacity. Drivers and guards need to be trained on those type of trains if they are a class of train they have never operated before, this is costly, plus having to pay for train paths to move those trains to eg:Tyseley, fuel, etc:
It used to be easier in the days before proper privatisation, remember when Regional Railways would hire in pairs of 20s to top and tail coaching stock between Derby and Skegness when it was busy in the summer months.
The 16:42 from New Street which I would put money on is the one Bob caught has another problem in that it cannot be two couple units (153+170) because a bit further up the diagram it has to reverse not in a station and the driver has to be able to walk from one cab to the other limiting it to either a two or three car 170.
If there are no 3 cars on maintenance then we get a 3 car otherwise we get a two car. I have had all the diagrams explained to me how they are making best use of the stock they have and I have been unable to find anything they could do better without robbing Peter to pay Paul. They even do things now where a 6 car will arrive at Four Oaks, drop three off and then join onto another 3 half hour later to make sure the correct evening peak Cross City has six carriages.
What will be interesting is what LM get to replace the 321s. They have been gazumped by Scotrail at the end of the current lease for the 7 321s so they have got to find another 7 untis from somewhere which could even be 319s
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 19, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
The difference is massive, you can blame a bus company for not having the right number of proper size buses. Train companies cannot jus go down Ensign and bu a second hand train
Also it's not just a case of hiring in trains from other railway companies who may have spare capacity. Drivers and guards need to be trained on those type of trains if they are a class of train they have never operated before, this is costly, plus having to pay for train paths to move those trains to eg:Tyseley, fuel, etc:
It used to be easier in the days before proper privatisation, remember when Regional Railways would hire in pairs of 20s to top and tail coaching stock between Derby and Skegness when it was busy in the summer months.
The 16:42 from New Street which I would put money on is the one Bob caught has another problem in that it cannot be two couple units (153+170) because a bit further up the diagram it has to reverse not in a station and the driver has to be able to walk from one cab to the other limiting it to either a two or three car 170.
If there are no 3 cars on maintenance then we get a 3 car otherwise we get a two car. I have had all the diagrams explained to me how they are making best use of the stock they have and I have been unable to find anything they could do better without robbing Peter to pay Paul. They even do things now where a 6 car will arrive at Four Oaks, drop three off and then join onto another 3 half hour later to make sure the correct evening peak Cross City has six carriages.
What will be interesting is what LM get to replace the 321s. They have been gazumped by Scotrail at the end of the current lease for the 7 321s so they have got to find another 7 untis from somewhere which could even be 319s
What do they use 321s on these days Tony?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 19, 2014, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 19, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Well the one going in had an old carriage stuck on the back ? And was less than half as busy? If they dont have enough train carriages to operate busy journeys ( still often rammed when uts not xmas) then theyre not really up to much? Itd be like nx operating e200s on peak time X51s every day...
The difference is massive, you can blame a bus company for not having the right number of proper size buses. Train companies cannot jus go down Ensign and bu a second hand train
Also it's not just a case of hiring in trains from other railway companies who may have spare capacity. Drivers and guards need to be trained on those type of trains if they are a class of train they have never operated before, this is costly, plus having to pay for train paths to move those trains to eg:Tyseley, fuel, etc:
It used to be easier in the days before proper privatisation, remember when Regional Railways would hire in pairs of 20s to top and tail coaching stock between Derby and Skegness when it was busy in the summer months.
The 16:42 from New Street which I would put money on is the one Bob caught has another problem in that it cannot be two couple units (153+170) because a bit further up the diagram it has to reverse not in a station and the driver has to be able to walk from one cab to the other limiting it to either a two or three car 170.
If there are no 3 cars on maintenance then we get a 3 car otherwise we get a two car. I have had all the diagrams explained to me how they are making best use of the stock they have and I have been unable to find anything they could do better without robbing Peter to pay Paul. They even do things now where a 6 car will arrive at Four Oaks, drop three off and then join onto another 3 half hour later to make sure the correct evening peak Cross City has six carriages.
What will be interesting is what LM get to replace the 321s. They have been gazumped by Scotrail at the end of the current lease for the 7 321s so they have got to find another 7 untis from somewhere which could even be 319s
What do they use 321s on these days Tony?
Commuter services (mostly) south of Northampton and on the Abbey line between Watford Junction and St Albans Abbey
has your source actually been told that it's the LM ones going to Scotland - an alternative would seem to be to send seven from Anglia, released by re-instating the stored 317s?
Quote from: mikestone on December 20, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
has your source actually been told that it's the LM ones going to Scotland - an alternative would seem to be to send seven from Anglia, released by re-instating the stored 317s?
Definitely the LM ones.
Quote from: andy on December 19, 2014, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
While I don't like it as much as you, perhaps you could say where they can get any more carriages from
I am heartily sick of hearing people go on about there not being enough carriages on the train they happened to catch. They have no understanding whatsoever of how things work. Railways unfortunately cannot be as responsive to seasonal peaks in demand as buses and coaches can as there is a set allocation of rolling stock to each operator and route. If LM want to increase carriage allocations (as they just have on a number) they have to apply to do so. And diesel stock is stretched across the network nationally and generally unavailable. You will see little improvement on the Chase line until electification.
Good point, but on the Snow Hill lines there is normally plenty of 2 and 3 carriage trains running at the weekends all year round. These can be rammed at any time of the year. One particular problem is on Sunday mornings on the Stourbridge section not helped due to the late start and low frequency.
Quote from: D10 on December 20, 2014, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: andy on December 19, 2014, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Why on earth at the busiest time of year do they think it's acceptable to put a two carriage train on tje chase line? Uncomfortable journey absolutely packed to the rafters.
While I don't like it as much as you, perhaps you could say where they can get any more carriages from
I am heartily sick of hearing people go on about there not being enough carriages on the train they happened to catch. They have no understanding whatsoever of how things work. Railways unfortunately cannot be as responsive to seasonal peaks in demand as buses and coaches can as there is a set allocation of rolling stock to each operator and route. If LM want to increase carriage allocations (as they just have on a number) they have to apply to do so. And diesel stock is stretched across the network nationally and generally unavailable. You will see little improvement on the Chase line until electification.
Good point, but on the Snow Hill lines there is normally plenty of 2 and 3 carriage trains running at the weekends all year round. These can be rammed at any time of the year. One particular problem is on Sunday mornings on the Stourbridge section not helped due to the late start and low frequency.
Earliest train into Birmingham on a Sunday at 10:30 is poor for such a busy line. I tend to stay away from the Snow Hill line on the weekends, if I can help it, for this very reason. It's even worse when the Albion are playing at home. I just use the Stour Valley on weekends, and I can on Sundays now it's 2tph between BHM & SGB
All this shows one weakness with railway "privatisation" - when it comes to rolling stock, the Department for Transport still calls the shots. And with the best will in the world, getting new rolling stock seems to take years.
I can't help thinking about the Cambridgshire Busway (along the path of old St Ives - Cambridge line), which many rail enthusiasts said should be a railway rather than a busway. It was a runaway success and needed more buses. Stagecoach simply ordered more and within a few months they arrived, allowing improved services to meet demand. What would have happened if it had been a railway?
Get to cannock for the 20.56 to Walsall, the sign said "on time" till the last minute then changed to cancelled! !!! S##T service! The 10pm says on time, will that be cancelled as well!? Good god
Quote from: Bob on December 31, 2014, 09:02:07 PM
Get to cannock for the 20.56 to Walsall, the sign said "on time" till the last minute then changed to cancelled! !!! S##T service! The 10pm says on time, will that be cancelled as well!? Good god
That one failed at Walsall on the way to Rugeley. The 22:01 is already sat at Rugeley waiting to come back on time
So Iit fails at walsall and doesnt even make it out to rugeley and back yet they leave the "on time" til a couple of minutes before its due out the opposite direction at cannock? Appalling. If the bus hadnt finished so early I wouldn't even be bothering with the train
Quote from: Bob on December 31, 2014, 09:38:37 PM
So Iit fails at walsall and doesnt even make it out to rugeley and back yet they leave the "on time" til a couple of minutes before its due out the opposite direction at cannock? Appalling. If the bus hadnt finished so early I wouldn't even be bothering with the train
That info was available on both the NR and LM apps at 2002. There have been serious issues at many stations all week with the CIS displays for all operators, not just LM.
Some sort of major disruption on the Cross City line this morning (02/01/15). Signalling problems at New Street; I don't know anything more than that.
NXWM accepting rail tickets on a whole raft of routes, and not just the Sutton corridor. The message I overheard on the radio of my Sutton-bound 71 included 11A and 11C as well .....
About 40 folk waiting to board the City-bound 904 I was on at the Yenton. They'd been advised to vacate their 323 at Chester Road, being told there would be at least a 30 minute delay, and the bus would be quicker. More than a few had little idea where the bus was going to terminate in the City centre .... ;D
Quote from: Ossie on January 02, 2015, 01:38:36 PM
Some sort of major disruption on the Cross City line this morning (02/01/15). Signalling problems at New Street; I don't know anything more than that.
NXWM accepting rail tickets on a whole raft of routes, and not just the Sutton corridor. The message I overheard on the radio of my Sutton-bound 71 included 11A and 11C as well .....
About 40 folk waiting to board the City-bound 904 I was on at the Yenton. They'd been advised to vacate their 323 at Chester Road, being told there would be at least a 30 minute delay, and the bus would be quicker. More than a few had little idea where the bus was going to terminate in the City centre .... ;D
According to Network West Midlands website,
"Following earlier signalling problems at Birmingham New Street all lines are starting to return to normal service.
As services return to normal the whole local rail network may be continue to be delayed or revised. London Midland hope to have full services back by 15:00. "
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 02, 2015, 02:10:59 PM
Quote from: Ossie on January 02, 2015, 01:38:36 PM
Some sort of major disruption on the Cross City line this morning (02/01/15). Signalling problems at New Street; I don't know anything more than that.
NXWM accepting rail tickets on a whole raft of routes, and not just the Sutton corridor. The message I overheard on the radio of my Sutton-bound 71 included 11A and 11C as well .....
About 40 folk waiting to board the City-bound 904 I was on at the Yenton. They'd been advised to vacate their 323 at Chester Road, being told there would be at least a 30 minute delay, and the bus would be quicker. More than a few had little idea where the bus was going to terminate in the City centre .... ;D
According to Network West Midlands website,
"Following earlier signalling problems at Birmingham New Street all lines are starting to return to normal service.
As services return to normal the whole local rail network may be continue to be delayed or revised. London Midland hope to have full services back by 15:00. "
It looked pretty normal at 11:30
A Train Manager on a Virgin Train commented to me this morning there had been signal problems for a couple of days following work undertaken over Christmas.
Quote from: JoNi on January 02, 2015, 07:28:16 PM
A Train Manager on a Virgin Train commented to me this morning there had been signal problems for a couple of days following work undertaken over Christmas.
My VT ran 20L on arrival at New Street earlier...meaning I missed my connection at Snow Hill. Delay repay it is then as I arrived at the final destination 30L based on what HT sold me.
Just been on a class 170 back from bescot stadium, 4 carriages to BNS then two to Wolverhampton really nice ride despite the first part being rammed, and me almost having a panic attack I'd it wasn't for a very friendly crew member and like officer I probably would of.
I caught the 1842 from brum and something was going on when the train pulled in loads of police officers come to the last carriage an the doors were kept shut for ages before people could get off/board
Quote from: Bob on January 03, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
I caught the 1842 from brum and something was going on when the train pulled in loads of police officers come to the last carriage an the doors were kept shut for ages before people could get off/board
Yeah that was the one I was on, it had all the walsall and coventry fans on so a lot of cops were needed.
Who would've thought, the first time my ticket has been checked this year on board a train it would be on a class 323 on the Wolverhampton - Birmingham New St stopper. New Year's Resolution maybe ???
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 04, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
Who would've thought, the first time my ticket has been checked this year on board a train it would be on a class 323 on the Wolverhampton - Birmingham New St stopper. New Year's Resolution maybe ???
I went to Bescot from coseley and back on Saturday and I didn't get checked, in consistant.
Quote from: NXDom on January 04, 2015, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 04, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
Who would've thought, the first time my ticket has been checked this year on board a train it would be on a class 323 on the Wolverhampton - Birmingham New St stopper. New Year's Resolution maybe ???
I went to Bescot from coseley and back on Saturday and I didn't get checked, in consistant.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been checked on this line in my lifetime
Just to ask,I thought the wolves to Walsall line was getting 350's?
Quote from: NXDom on January 09, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
Just to ask,I thought the wolves to Walsall line was getting 350's?
Yes it has. Monday - Friday daytime.
Quote from: NXDom on January 09, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
Just to ask,I thought the wolves to Walsall line was getting 350's?
It has, from December 14th, 3 class 350s have moved onto the Wolves - Walsall, to cascade 3 class 323s onto the Cross City Line. Class 323s still make up the daily allocation, this may help:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2461.msg123167#msg123167
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2015, 11:09:29 PM
Quote from: NXDom on January 09, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
Just to ask,I thought the wolves to Walsall line was getting 350's?
Yes it has. Monday - Friday daytime.
Grumble not Saturdays :'(
Quote from: NXDom on January 10, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 09, 2015, 11:09:29 PM
Quote from: NXDom on January 09, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
Just to ask,I thought the wolves to Walsall line was getting 350's?
Yes it has. Monday - Friday daytime.
Grumble not Saturdays :'(
No need for as many 323s on the cross city, and I guess it means the Desiros can be put to use on busier Saturday daytime London services
Probably this;-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P34630/2015/01/12/advanced
which according to the timings is booked for a 153 - presumably plus a 170.
Quote from: Matt on January 13, 2015, 09:09:39 PM
As someone who knows very little about modern trains. Yesterday afternoon at about 15:10 from the window of my French class I noticed an unusual train pulling out of Hagley station towards Kidder. Unusual in that it wasn't one of the usual 172s (being in my 6th year at Haybridge/Hagley I have become quite familiar with their distinctive ZF transmission over the past few years!)
Anyone know if this "unusual" working is actually regular?
Yeah, that would be the 170/6 + 153 working, which runs Mon-Fri.
It does
12:51 Worcester Shrub Hill - Whitlock's End
14:19 Whitlock's End - Worcester Foregate Street (this would be the one that you saw, arriving into Hagley at 15:12, and getting into Foregate Street for 15:39)
16:13 Worcester Foregate Street to Dorridge
18:03 Dorridge to Stourbridge Junction (then goes empty to Worcester TMD)
Quote from: mikestone on January 13, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
Probably this;-
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P34630/2015/01/12/advanced
which according to the timings is booked for a 153 - presumably plus a 170.
The timings do not always reflect what is the booked traction.
All trains on the Rugeley line are timed for class 150/3/5/6 but it doesn't mean that is the booked units
Hi guys on the London Midland Class 323 is it classed as Dmu Diessel Multiple Unit
London Midland Class 323's are EMU's, that is Electric Multiple Unit
Quote from: JIM H on March 30, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
London Midland Class 323's are EMU's, that is Electric Multiple Unit
ok what train do london midland have that is Dmu
Quote from: Matt on March 30, 2015, 04:07:52 PM
153, 170, 172
Thankyou
@Matt What is the difference between 350/1 350/2 and 350/3
350/1 is ex Central Trains
350/2 has 3+2 seating
350/3 has plug sockets
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 30, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
350/1 is ex Central Trains
350/2 has 3+2 seating
350/3 has plug sockets
ok is there tables on those trains
Quote from: Rhys S on March 30, 2015, 04:20:46 PM
ok is there tables on those trains
Only on /1s.
Fun fact for you...the /1s did some work a few years ago on the West London Line for Southern...
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 30, 2015, 04:22:56 PM
Only on /1s.
Fun fact for you...the /1s did some work a few years ago on the West London Line for Southern...
ok i wouldlve thought the /2 would have tables as well
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 30, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
350/1 is ex Central Trains
350/2 has 3+2 seating
350/3 has plug sockets
Which ones are the ones with blue seating also what is used on wolves- walsall line now?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 30, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Which ones are the ones with blue seating also what is used on wolves- walsall line now?
Blue seats are /1
/2 and /3 have green seats
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 30, 2015, 04:19:29 PM
350/1 is ex Central Trains
350/2 has 3+2 seating
350/3 has plug sockets
350/1 never ran for Central Trains
LM also have
class 150 DMU
class 139 PPM
class 321 EMU (although not for too much longer)
what is ppm?
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
350/1 never ran for Central Trains
LM also have
class 150 DMU
class 139 PPM
class 321 EMU (although not for too much longer)
Oh? So they never ran on the Central/Silverlink joint service?
Or to use your favourite website...
QuoteThirty of these units, designated Class 350/1, were built for use by Central Trains and Silverlink on regional express services and services on the southern section of the West Coast Main Line.
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
350/1 never ran for Central Trains
LM also have
class 150 DMU
class 139 PPM
class 321 EMU (although not for too much longer)
Where can you find LM 321's?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 30, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
Where can you find LM 321's?
Most likely Northampton to London Euston section I think they operate on Euston-Tring Services :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 30, 2015, 08:09:48 PM
Most likely Northampton to London Euston section I think they operate on Euston-Tring Services :)
One you can always find is on the St Albans branch. 350s are banned from that branch so it has to be a 321
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2015, 08:15:36 PM
One you can always find is on the St Albans branch. 350s are banned from that branch so it has to be a 321
I wasn't sure, id seen pictures of them at Rugby and there's old footage of them on Birmingham - London but this is where my vague knowledge of trains becomes clear. Thank you anyway
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 30, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
Where can you find LM 321's?
As it's been said Tring-Eustons and St Albans, I had a list of 321 workings on Tring-Eustons, but I lost it
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
350/1 never ran for Central Trains
LM also have
class 150 DMU
class 139 PPM
class 321 EMU (although not for too much longer)
They're leasing 319s from what I've heard
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 30, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Which ones are the ones with blue seating also what is used on wolves- walsall line now?
Mainly Class 350/2s, /1s can creep up. Class 323s weekends
Birmingham Moor Street now has automated announcements. By Celia Drummond (the announcer of Leamington Spa and London Marylebone) and Phil Sayer, no train formation announcements though
Moor Street, Solihull and Dorridge are Chiltern stations
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 01, 2015, 12:43:12 AM
Moor Street, Solihull and Dorridge are Chiltern stations
As are Leamington Spa and London Marylebone
Where can you find class 323s now?
2Ws Line
X City Line
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 01, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
Where can you find class 323s now?
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 01, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
2Ws Line
X City Line
Rough diagrams for Class 323s Wolverhampton - Walsall line:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2461.msg123167#msg123167
Also on Birmingham New Street - Birmingham International shuttles. xx:39 at New Street, xx:17 at International
Journey check is showing the 10.05, 13.05, 16.05 and 19.05 Birmingham-Shrewsbury as 4 cars vice 5 today - never spotted that before.
Is tomorrows WVH-WAL line going to have 323's or 350's?
Quote from: NXDom on April 02, 2015, 04:11:17 PM
Is tomorrows WVH-WAL line going to have 323's or 350's?
It's a normal Mon-Fri timetable tomorrow, so I would expect both
not quite - it's buses Tame Bridge Parkway-Rugeley all weekend
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 02, 2015, 08:55:56 PM
It's a normal Mon-Fri timetable tomorrow, so I would expect both
350 and 323 on there today
Quote from: mikestone on April 02, 2015, 09:16:01 PM
not quite - it's buses Tame Bridge Parkway-Rugeley all weekend
I was waiting for someone to mention that. Apart from trains terminating at TAB, it's a normal timetable, it is on my side anyway (Wolverhampton - New Street)
What is the future for the 323s, have never been over keen on them.
Personally i think the 350s are a million times better.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 02, 2015, 10:30:19 PM
What is the future for the 323s, have never been over keen on them.
Personally i think the 350s are a million times better.
I use them almost everyday (and the 350's too), I think they're brilliant machines, the traction motor is the most unique I've ever heard, they're perfect for what they're used for. I've heard loads of rumours about their future. Personally, I can eventually see the Birmingham New Street - Birmingham International & Walsall-Wolverhampton being entirely 350 to cascade 323s to the XCity line for the Bromsgrove extension
I didn't even realise the xx:12/xx:42 Rugeleys weren't running (to at least Tame Bridge). The evening services could easily be ran by 2 Class 323s. Probably the Sunday service as well, which is also 2tph between Birmingham and Tame Bridge
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 04, 2015, 12:49:25 AM
I didn't even realise the xx:12/xx:42 Rugeleys weren't running (to at least Tame Bridge). The evening services could easily be ran by 2 Class 323s. Probably the Sunday service as well, which is also 2tph between Birmingham and Tame Bridge
Unlikely they'll see sense and do that, they'll still
waste use 170s on there. Always infuriates me when diesels are used when the whole route is electric
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 04, 2015, 12:49:25 AM
I didn't even realise the xx:12/xx:42 Rugeleys weren't running (to at least Tame Bridge). The evening services could easily be ran by 2 Class 323s. Probably the Sunday service as well, which is also 2tph between Birmingham and Tame Bridge
Well Wolves to Walsall had 350 during the morning and afternoon but then the 17:07 from tbp was a 323.
Quote from: Kevin on April 04, 2015, 08:03:54 AM
Unlikely they'll see sense and do that, they'll still waste use 170s on there. Always infuriates me when diesels are used when the whole route is electric
Depends where they are reversing them in Bescot Yard
Quote from: NXDom on April 04, 2015, 08:12:35 AM
Well Wolves to Walsall had 350 during the morning and afternoon but then the 17:07 from tbp was a 323.
So it should be, that diagram is booked for a 323
Quote from: NXDom on April 04, 2015, 08:12:35 AM
Well Wolves to Walsall had 350 during the morning and afternoon but then the 17:07 from tbp was a 323.
The 1737 was a 350 (the one that linked in yesterday with MX56HYA)
One-upmanship by LM:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/passenger-poos-middle-train-forcing-5453182
At least on Virgin Trains, you only have to smell the stuff....
What train and service is it from Smethwick Galton Bridge - Kidderminster on a saturday?
Quote from: NXDom on April 06, 2015, 03:49:48 PM
What train and service is it from Smethwick Galton Bridge - Kidderminster on a saturday?
As Matt said and I believe it's Stratford upon Avon to Worcester via Snow Hill. I might be wrong but I think it is that.
Quote from: tank90 on April 06, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
As Matt said and I believe it's Stratford upon Avon to Worcester via Snow Hill. I might be wrong but I think it is that.
Daytime Stratford upon Avon services terminate at Stourbridge Junction
Trains from Galton Bridge to Kidderminster on Saturdays run every 20 minutes during the day with some trains having a 10 minute gap between services.
Quote from: JIM H on April 06, 2015, 06:52:33 PM
Trains from Galton Bridge to Kidderminster on Saturdays run every 20 minutes during the day with some trains having a 10 minute gap between services.
xx:12, xx:22, xx:42, xx:52 past the hour (at Smethwick Galton Bridge) to be exact.
xx:12 - Whitlock's End to Kidderminster
xx:22 - Dorridge to Worcester stations/Malvern
xx:42 - Dorridge to Kidderminster
xx:52 - Whitlock's End to Worcester stations/Malvern
xx:12/xx:42 call at Hagley and Blackdown
xx:22 calls at Hartlebury
xx:52 calls at Hagley
1344 Bham N St-Rugeley T V was a Class 153, is this rare?
Quote from: Alex on April 10, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
1344 Bham N St-Rugeley T V was a Class 153, is this rare?
If it was on it's own, then yes, if it was coupled to a 170 then, no, booked diagram
@Tony, i have absolutely no clue, all i saw was the fleet number on the front and two, i think?, carriages
Quote from: Alex on April 10, 2015, 02:43:51 PM
@Tony, i have absolutely no clue, all i saw was the fleet number on the front and two, i think?, carriages
I was on the 1342 BNS to Walsall, not Rugeley, was a 153 +170 today.
@Other Walsall Tony I think you mean BHM. BNS is the code for Barnes
I think most people on here would know what was meant by 'BNS'
Just got on 350371 on the 16:40 Stafford to New Street service, first time I have had or seen a 350/3 on a Liverpool Lime Street to New Street service.
Quote from: Cheese on April 30, 2015, 04:47:02 PM
Just got on 350371 on the 16:40 Stafford to New Street service, first time I have had or seen a 350/3 on a Liverpool Lime Street to New Street service.
They were only cleared to work into New Street this week, they have only just finished training the New Street crews. The will now work randomly with the 350/1s
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
They were only cleared to work into New Street this week, they have only just finished training the New Street crews. The will now work randomly with the 350/1s
Perhaps not the best use of them, but not complaining as they are very nice units inside I think, had done a couple previously between Tamworth and Stafford.
I am told the first London Midland class 319 will be arriving at Bletchley in the very near future
350372 was probably the first on Sunday - oddly having been used a couple of weeks ago to restart the last train at night from Crewe after it had been cancelled no train crew at New St. I wonder if the reason there was no crew is they were off learning 350/3s?
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
They were only cleared to work into New Street this week, they have only just finished training the New Street crews. The will now work randomly with the 350/1s
I'll keep an eye out then, I still have 350368-350375 to get
Thanks to member Nick for this info. Too early for me to bother to go and get a photo, but a rare working it is
There is a 323 off to Northampton EMD in the morning for tyre turning.
A rare working indeed. It's 06.10 off Soho LMD, New St 06.24, Rugby 07.07 and Northampton 07.27. Running as 5N50.
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
Thanks to member Nick for this info. Too early for me to bother to go and get a photo, but a rare working it is
There is a 323 off to Northampton EMD in the morning for tyre turning.
A rare working indeed. It's 06.10 off Soho LMD, New St 06.24, Rugby 07.07 and Northampton 07.27. Running as 5N50.
move has been cancelled this morning.
some trains on the Chase line today are showing 3 vice 4 on journey check - are four cars normal on Sundays. Surely they haven't actually thought about strengthening them because Wolverhampton is blocked?
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
Thanks to member Nick for this info. Too early for me to bother to go and get a photo, but a rare working it is
There is a 323 off to Northampton EMD in the morning for tyre turning.
A rare working indeed. It's 06.10 off Soho LMD, New St 06.24, Rugby 07.07 and Northampton 07.27. Running as 5N50.
Surely easier to take it to Tyseley for tyre turning??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 03, 2015, 01:06:37 PM
Surely easier to take it to Tyseley for tyre turning??
You would have to hire another operator in to take it there though, so probably easier to get it Northampton.
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
You would have to hire another operator in to take it there though, so probably easier to get it Northampton.
Couldn't you use the 08 and barrier van, although would have to be night move.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 03, 2015, 01:12:18 PM
Couldn't you use the 08 and barrier van, although would have to be night move.
London Midland haven't got any barrier vans any more, they sold them to Colus (now missing from Soho). The 08s are not main line authorised any more
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
London Midland haven't got any barrier vans any more, they sold them to Colus (now missing from Soho). The 08s are not main line authorised any more
@Tony Thanks, shows how upto date i am with the railway!
Take it if an 08 needs to be moved, it has to be done by road transport.
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
London Midland haven't got any barrier vans any more, they sold them to Colus (now missing from Soho). The 08s are not main line authorised any more
Just to fill in the gaps. Tony quite rightly confirms no barrier vehicles at Soho anymore and no 08's mainline certified either. Sohos 08 has been unserviceable for a very long time. Crewe LNWR took over the tyre turning from Crewe ETD for the 323's and because the line was shut on Saturday it was decided to run the 323 to Northampton ETD instead. However, due to vandalism between Bham International and Coventry the move was cancelled.
350372 is on the Birmingham to Walsall service today
Quote from: 1707 on May 04, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
350372 is on the Birmingham to Walsall service today
Do you have any timings?
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 04, 2015, 10:39:27 AM
Do you have any timings?
11.27
12.57
14.27
15.57
17.27
All ex Birmingham New Street
Quote from: 1707 on May 04, 2015, 10:46:35 AM
11.27
12.57
14.27
15.57
17.27
All ex Birmingham New Street
@1707 thank you
Quote from: 1707 on May 04, 2015, 10:46:35 AM
11.27
12.57
14.27
15.57
17.27
All ex Birmingham New Street
staying as booked and including 18.47, 22.47
The 10:31 ex Walsall (to Wolverhampton) is a 170/6 today
The first London Midland class 319 is due to arrive at Bletchley on the 19th June - 319429.
The other three they are getting are 319013; 319216 & 319460, I would have thought it would have made more sense to have four from the same sub-class, but those are what has been chosen
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2015, 06:39:17 PM
The first London Midland class 319 is due to arrive at Bletchley on the 19th June - 319429.
The other three they are getting are 319013; 319216 & 319460, I would have thought it would have made more sense to have four from the same sub-class, but those are what has been chosen
Remember when Central Trains lost the mid wales services to Arriva, the 156s to be transferred were decided by ATOC to stop the worst vehicles in the 156 fleet being sent.
350375 on Bham to Euston today
350370 seems to have taken residence up on the same turn every day,
It has worked the 16:36 Birmingham-Liverpool every day for the last two weeks
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2015, 08:07:48 AM
350370 seems to have taken residence up on the same turn every day,
It has worked the 16:36 Birmingham-Liverpool every day for the last two weeks
I am led to believe it's to help crew familiarise themselves with the /3 differences. I think that's true of London to Bham too. There are still some drivers to sit the course.
170632 is working the Walsall - Wolverhampton line today, going towards Walsall at 9:26, from Coseley is this rare?
Quote from: NXDom on May 30, 2015, 09:32:22 AM
170632 is working the Walsall - Wolverhampton line today, going towards Walsall at 9:26, from Coseley is this rare?
Very rare these days. Although it will be the second in a short period of time. It come off the 05.29 Shrewsbury and allocated out all day
Walsall 10.31, 13.01, 18.01
Wolves 11.50, 16.50, 19.20
Quote from: 1707 on May 30, 2015, 09:43:43 AM
Very rare these days. Although it will be the second in a short period of time. It come off the 05.29 Shrewsbury and allocated out all day
Walsall 10.31, 13.01, 18.01
Wolves 11.50, 16.50, 19.20
I saw one the other week.
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 09, 2015, 11:19:24 AM
The 10:31 ex Walsall (to Wolverhampton) is a 170/6 today
Usually if a train on the Walsall - Wolves breaks down a spare 323 is used, or if not available, one will be taken off a 6 coach CrossCity line service. I'll keep an eye out, to see if its a planned diagram
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 30, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
I saw one the other week.
Usually if a train on the Walsall - Wolves breaks down a spare 323 is used, or if not available, one will be taken off a 6 coach CrossCity line service. I'll keep an eye out, to see if its a planned diagram
You are correct in the first part Sh4318 a spare if available will be used. A 170 can be used as proved but only as a last resort for two reasons mainly. 170's can't keep 323/350 timings and they then have to find drivers for diesels, and of course engineering work where the overheads are switched off. There are no planned diagrams for diesel power on the wolves to Walsall route.
My advice is if you see one on the route, take it!
Quote from: Matt on May 31, 2015, 06:57:22 PM
The 170/153 which does the 14:42 off Snow Hill in Hagley direction - is this weekdays only?
I'm not sure Matt, I work out of New St. Gut feeling says no.
Quote from: 1707 on May 31, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
I'm not sure Matt, I work out of New St. Gut feeling says no.
@Matt Would say it is a 172 on a Saturday.
According to Realtime Trains, during the week it is pathed for a 75mph unit whilst on Saturday it is pathed for a 100mph unit.
Quote from: Matt on May 31, 2015, 06:57:22 PM
The 170/153 which does the 14:42 off Snow Hill in Hagley direction - is this weekdays only?
Yes. Weekdays only
The ex-14:31 Walsall - Wolverhampton is a 170/5 today
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 13, 2015, 02:42:58 PM
The ex-14:31 Walsall - Wolverhampton is a 170/5 today
170511, I caught it this morning from Wolvo - Coseley, 8:20 Dep Wolves
Going past Soho TMD earlier, I noticed one of the Class 323s displayed 'Cheadle Hulme' as a destination. Do all LM 323s have Northern destinations programmed into them just in case of a loan/lease?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 20, 2015, 10:09:58 PM
Going past Soho TMD earlier, I noticed one of the Class 323s displayed 'Cheadle Hulme' as a destination. Do all LM 323s have Northern destinations programmed into them just in case of a loan/lease?
The LM 323's have all destinations available to program when they had the new destination panels fitted (323203 has side destinations fitted but never used). Northern didn't have theirs changed. However it's highly unlikely that they would ever loan them out, they have non to spare.
LM trains were delayed during the evening rush hour on the Snow Hill lines.
Certain trains were being announced as being delayed or cancelled due to a "problem near the railway", whilst others were being delayed due to a broken down train at Kidderminster. Was it the same incident I wonder, but the mysterious "problem" is still ongoing according to JourneyCheck:
"Delays to services between Droitwich Spa and Birmingham Snow Hill Owing to a problem near the railway between Droitwich Spa and Birmingham Snow Hill:
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. Last Updated :24/06/2015 15:56"
Quote from: D10 on June 24, 2015, 09:08:09 PM
LM trains were delayed during the evening rush hour on the Snow Hill lines.
Certain trains were being announced as being delayed or cancelled due to a "problem near the railway", whilst others were being delayed due to a broken down train at Kidderminster. Was it the same incident I wonder, but the mysterious "problem" is still ongoing according to JourneyCheck:
"Delays to services between Droitwich Spa and Birmingham Snow Hill Owing to a problem near the railway between Droitwich Spa and Birmingham Snow Hill:
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. Last Updated :24/06/2015 15:56"
My 18:27 (the one with the 153) BMO - SGB was cancelled today, due to safety checks, I was really looking forward to it. Departure boards from Smethwick Galton Bridge are showing the 21:45 (ex Worcester) to Dorridge is 15 down
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 24, 2015, 09:25:57 PM
My 18:27 (the one with the 153) BMO - SGB was cancelled today, due to safety checks, I was really looking forward to it. Departure boards from Smethwick Galton Bridge are showing the 21:45 (ex Worcester) to Dorridge is 15 down
The 1827 was started from Snow Hill right time with the aforementioned train which was 153371 and 170630 on the back :)
Quote from: X94 on June 24, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
The 1827 was started from Snow Hill right time with the aforementioned train which was 153371 and 170630 on the back :)
I know. I was at Moor Street, so just got the 18:18
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 20, 2015, 10:09:58 PM
Going past Soho TMD earlier, I noticed one of the Class 323s displayed 'Cheadle Hulme' as a destination. Do all LM 323s have Northern destinations programmed into them just in case of a loan/lease?
It might be one of the two or three units that had short spells up at Northern after their 323231 derailed and was unavaliable for use for about 18 months as there were two or three units that were being swapped around working for Northern during this time. Few years back now though.
Quote from: T840MAK on June 26, 2015, 02:19:41 PM
It might be one of the two or three units that had short spells up at Northern after their 323231 derailed and was unavaliable for use for about 18 months as there were two or three units that were being swapped around working for Northern during this time. Few years back now though.
It is just a member of staff playing about. They are quite easy to put anything up, and I have been past Soho with one showing Mumbai! I have a photo of that somewhere
I saw a 323 in Coseley BNS bound showing Longbridge, is this normal?
Quote from: Dom on June 26, 2015, 04:45:55 PM
I saw a 323 in Coseley BNS bound showing Longbridge, is this normal?
To my knowledge no LM Trains go to Longbridge from Wolverhampton :) Most (if not all) head to Walsall the 16:50 ex Wolverhampton operates to Coventry :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 26, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
To my knowledge no LM Trains go to Longbridge from Wolverhampton :) Most (if not all) head to Walsall the 16:50 ex Wolverhampton operates to Coventry :)
The 07:19 M-F ex Wolves goes to Four Oaks - don't think there are any that go down to Longbridge, that would require a reverse at New Street.
Quote from: Cheese on June 26, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
The 07:19 M-F ex Wolves goes to Four Oaks - don't think there are any that go down to Longbridge, that would require a reverse at New Street.
I saw it at Coseley at 15:55.
Quote from: Dom on June 26, 2015, 08:00:56 PM
I saw it at Coseley at 15:55.
15:50 from Wolves to Walsall showing the wrong destination it would seem.
170630 going onto 08.39 New St to International due to 323 failure. On until 323 available
Quote from: 1707 on June 27, 2015, 08:09:49 AM
170632 going onto 08.39 New St to International due to 323 failure. On until 323 available
Is that the shuttle service?
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 26, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
To my knowledge no LM Trains go to Longbridge from Wolverhampton :) Most (if not all) head to Walsall the 16:50 ex Wolverhampton operates to Coventry :)
The 1650 to Coventry is a 350, to release a 350 for WCML services, and the 1727 New Street - Walsall is a 323 to replace it
Only trains that don't terminate at Walsall or New Street:
0614 Wolverhampton (originating from Shrewsbury) - Rugeley Trent Valley
0719 Wolverhampton - Four Oaks
1650 Wolverhampton - Coventry
(and the 0728 Wolverhampton (originating from Crewe) - London Euston (calling at Sandwell and Dudley and Smethwick Galton Bridge) if you want to include that)
All other trains go to Walsall or terminate at New Street
Quote from: 1707 on June 27, 2015, 08:09:49 AM
170632 going onto 08.39 New St to International due to 323 failure. On until 323 available
I'll be at New Street later, so I'll keep an eye on that service
What do they use on Cov- nun shuttle?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 27, 2015, 11:59:47 AM
What do they use on Cov- nun shuttle?
1 x Class 153. It was 153365 on Thursday
350373 on Walsall to Wolves services. On 11.31 ex Walsall.
Equally becoming rare 350122 on ex 12.01 Walsall
Quote from: 1707 on July 03, 2015, 12:01:21 PM
350373 on Walsall to Wolves services. On 11.31 ex Walsall.
Equally becoming rare 350122 on ex 12.01 Walsall
I had that to Wolverhampton on that trip.
Spoilt for choice today on the Liverpool run
350376 on 16.36 LLS
350375 on 17.01 LLS
and I'm bringing 350373 in on 15.34 from LLS to work the 17.36 LLS! !
Quote from: 1707 on July 08, 2015, 03:32:21 PM
Spoilt for choice today on the Liverpool run
350376 on 16.36 LLS
350375 on 17.01 LLS
and I'm bringing 350373 in on 15.34 from LLS to work the 17.36 LLS! !
Good gen, will look forward to 350373 on the 16:40 from Stafford into New Street later on!
Quote from: 1707 on July 08, 2015, 03:32:21 PM
Spoilt for choice today on the Liverpool run
350376 on 16.36 LLS
350375 on 17.01 LLS
and I'm bringing 350373 in on 15.34 from LLS to work the 17.36 LLS! !
I wish I read this earlier, I need 350373 :-[
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 08, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
I wish I read this earlier, I need 350373 :-[
350373 has stayed on Liverpool runs today Sh4318
It's on 09.01, 13.01, 17.01 ex Bham
11.04, 15.04 ex LLS
I'm taking it to LLS again on the 13.01 so if it changes I will post again.
Quote from: 1707 on July 09, 2015, 08:08:17 AM
350373 has stayed on Liverpool runs today Sh4318
It's on 09.01, 13.01, 17.01 ex Bham
11.04, 15.04 ex LLS
I'm taking it to LLS again on the 13.01 so if it changes I will post again.
Any chance of 350374 on there tomorrow? Effortless scoring of these new ones as part of my commute this past week.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 09, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Any chance of 350374 on there tomorrow? Effortless scoring of these new ones as part of my commute this past week.
350374 is sat on Camden all day today
Has 350370 been allocated to the 0800 Wolverhampton to New Street or is it a fluke that its been on three days in a row? (still looking for 372 and 374)
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 16, 2015, 01:10:43 PM
Has 350370 been allocated to the 0800 Wolverhampton to New Street or is it a fluke that its been on three days in a row? (still looking for 372 and 374)
That working (BHM 0836, 1236, 1636 etc.) is usually a 350/3. Although when I saw it Monday it was a 350/1
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 16, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
That working (BHM 0836, 1236, 1636 etc.) is usually a 350/3. Although when I saw it Monday it was a 350/1
350372 15.14 Bham to Euston then trent valley
350374 17.33 Bham to Euston
Probably already on here but cant be arsed to go through 11, 100 message long pages.
What type of train is used on the BHM-BIN service, is it a 323?
Quote from: Dom on August 18, 2015, 03:40:14 PM
Probably already on here but cant be arsed to go through 11, 100 message long pages.
What type of train is used on the BHM-BIN service, is it a 323?
Yes its a 323 :)
Quote from: Dom on August 18, 2015, 03:40:14 PM
Probably already on here but cant be arsed to go through 11, 100 message long pages.
What type of train is used on the BHM-BIN service, is it a 323?
Do you mean Birmingham International (BHI)?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 18, 2015, 06:39:24 PM
Do you mean Birmingham International (BHI)?
Yes sorry, wasn't 100% on the code thought it mas BIN, thanks for the confirmation.
Quote from: Dom on August 18, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
Yes sorry, wasn't 100% on the code thought it mas BIN, thanks for the confirmation.
Well it did used to get served by the 321 (Dusty's)
Any news on the "Class 170 refurbishment" that London Midland have mentioned?
Are 150+153's rare on the Birmingham New St-Redditch line?
As I saw a 153 and 150107 arriving, coupled up, in Birmingham New St from the direction of Longbridge/Bromsgrove & Redditch at 0907 this morning. Is this scheduled or is it rare?
Cheers for any answers
Quote from: Alex on August 24, 2015, 07:36:41 PM
Are 150+153's rare on the Birmingham New St-Redditch line?
As I saw a 153 and 150107 arriving, coupled up, in Birmingham New St from the direction of Longbridge/Bromsgrove & Redditch at 0907 this morning. Is this scheduled or is it rare?
Cheers for any answers
Still some booked 150 workings to/from Worcester particularly in the AM and PM peak. 1819 off New Street to Worcester is pretty much always a 150, and I have seen an AM peak working come into New Street as a 150 before going back to Tyseley, can't remember which one but probably a regular move.
Quote from: Cheese on August 24, 2015, 07:41:37 PM
Still some booked 150 workings to/from Worcester particularly in the AM and PM peak. 1819 off New Street to Worcester is pretty much always a 150, and I have seen an AM peak working come into New Street as a 150 before going back to Tyseley, can't remember which one but probably a regular move.
What 150s have they got left?
Quote from: Cheese on August 24, 2015, 07:41:37 PM
Still some booked 150 workings to/from Worcester particularly in the AM and PM peak. 1819 off New Street to Worcester is pretty much always a 150, and I have seen an AM peak working come into New Street as a 150 before going back to Tyseley, can't remember which one but probably a regular move.
Wouldn't know, every time I see that line, it's a 323, so I assumed a 150 was rare, and that the 153 was to make it a 3 car.
Cheers for the info, though, mate
Quote from: Alex on August 24, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Wouldn't know, every time I see that line, it's a 323, so I assumed a 150 was rare, and that the 153 was to make it a 3 car.
Cheers for the info, though, mate
The 150 isn't working a X-City service to/from Longbridge or Redditch, that will always be a 323. They still have 150105/107/109 I believe, one of which should be on the Bedford to Bletchley service.
Quote from: Cheese on August 24, 2015, 07:55:08 PM
The 150 isn't working a X-City service to/from Longbridge or Redditch, that will always be a 323. They still have 150105/107/109 I believe, one of which should be on the Bedford to Bletchley service.
Had my doubts about it going to Lichfield, as it had ''Birmingham New St via Bromsgrove'' on the blind.
Here's the photo I got (Sorry for the poor quality, my camera is a pain to use under low light!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/20227992374/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: Alex on August 24, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Wouldn't know, every time I see that line, it's a 323, so I assumed a 150 was rare, and that the 153 was to make it a 3 car.
Cheers for the info, though, mate
You won't see many 323s on the Worcester line
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2015, 08:51:51 PM
You won't see many 323s on the Worcester line
I meant the Lichfield-Birmingham-Redditch line
@Tony
LM are getting Northern's 323223-323239 from April 2016 when the Northern franchise is passed over, surprise surprise with no replacements mentioned for the north as per usual...
Quote from: T840MAK on August 24, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
LM are getting Northern's 323223-323239 from April 2016 when the Northern franchise is passed over, surprise surprise with no replacements mentioned for the north as per usual...
I suspect they will be sub-leased back until more 319s are available as the Chase Line electrification won't happen until 2017
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2015, 09:25:42 PM
I suspect they will be sub-leased back until more 319s are available as the Chase Line electrification won't happen until 2017
I suspect they won't be, 319s aren't suitable on all but one of the lines that the 323s operate on and would also need for the entire timetables to be rewritten due to lesser characteristics. Chances are if that was the case then Porterbrook wouldn't be moving them all at the end of the current franchise, they'd leave them as they are for a while longer yet, but that's just my view on it. Let's not forget that there's not been any replacement for the 323s mentioned - the only possibility would be 313s from Great Northern without having to extend quite a lot of the platforms on lines that 323s operate on.
If the TPX 170 fiasco is anything to go by, it'll be left for the existing fleet to cover the loss of 17 units - which isn't ideal considering they're already 6 units down which are in use by TPE on a daily basis. Before you mention the 319s, thats nothing to do with it, otherwise there wouldn't be the 37 diagrams on the Cumbrian Coast.
Quote from: Alex on August 24, 2015, 07:36:41 PM
Are 150+153's rare on the Birmingham New St-Redditch line?
As I saw a 153 and 150107 arriving, coupled up, in Birmingham New St from the direction of Longbridge/Bromsgrove & Redditch at 0907 this morning. Is this scheduled or is it rare?
Cheers for any answers
Hereford-New St Class 150s:
0734 HFD - BHM (with a 153)1049 BHM - HFD
1240 HFD - BHM
1449 BHM - HFD
1640 HFD - BHM
1819 BHM - WOS
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 24, 2015, 10:09:56 PM
Hereford-New St Class 150s:
0734 HFD - BHM (with a 153)
1049 BHM - HFD
1240 HFD - BHM
1449 BHM - HFD
1640 HFD - BHM
1819 BHM - WOS
Ah, cheers for clearing that up
@Sh4318
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 24, 2015, 10:09:56 PM
Hereford-New St Class 150s:
0734 HFD - BHM (with a 153)
1049 BHM - HFD
1240 HFD - BHM
1449 BHM - HFD
1640 HFD - BHM
1819 BHM - WOS
Comes with the usual Ts & Cs when stating diagrams that it can be swapped at a short notice.
Hope this is the right place... Don't normally post train news:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/london-midland-trains-graffiti-suspects-9877081
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34183935
I'm amazed nobody has posted this, 172 fire this morning.
This coming Sunday at around 17:00 the Watford Junction St Albans branch will swap units with the last London Midland class 321 operating finishing its last duty and the first London Midland 319 going into passenger service
Quote from: trident4370 on September 08, 2015, 03:57:23 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34183935
I'm amazed nobody has posted this, 172 fire this morning.
I hope no-one was hurt. What was the fleet number of the train?
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
I hope no-one was hurt. What was the fleet number of the train?
I'm told it was 172338.
London Midland at their best tonight. thousands of people watching the rugby at Fanzone after the game at Villa Park and London Midland are cancelling the last train to London (22:14 of New Street)
Why how they going to get home the only way is to stop in hotel &bill London midland as I thought they had a duty to get you to your station stop.on the ticket
It's as good as Great Western Railways aka First Great Western not putting on Extra trains tonight to Wales so fans from Twickenham could get home tonight with out having to stop over in England. It makes you wonder what was on the train operators mind when they saw the times of games finishing and where people would want to go after games. It is one reason why the UK or England will not host the Football World Cup nobody thinks.
The 22:14 to Euston was cancelled because the incoming service from Northampton was cancelled because of no train crew.
In the end they fetched a unit up from Coventry empty stock and ran a 22:30 extra to Northampton where they restarted the 22:14 so they did get everybody home eventually. Not sure whether the 22:30 was a 350 or a 323.
The Great Western thing is completely different. Great Western offered to run extras for the rugby, but Network Rail, the nationalised bit of the railways, had the Severn Tunnel closed for engineering work and couldn't give them paths, another good advert for nationalising the railways I don't think, although the press picked on the private company because they ran a couple of staff jolleys on the same day in another part of their area
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2015, 07:51:58 AM
In the end they fetched a unit up from Coventry empty stock. Not sure whether the 22:30 was a 350 or a 323.
Lets hope is was not the 153 that does the Nuneaton Shuttle . . . . . . . . :o
On the plus side, trains coming out of Birmingham (to Liverpool at least) are quiet as, on 350102 doing the 11:49 SGB-LIV and its dead, that's not something you can usually say about this service
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on September 27, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Lets hope is was not the 153 that does the Nuneaton Shuttle . . . . . . . . :o
They would have done well to do that considering that diagram finishes in Coventry at 22:33 ;)
Most likely it would have been a spare 350 from the sidings just outside of the station.
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2015, 07:25:17 PM
London Midland at their best tonight. thousands of people watching the rugby at Fanzone after the game at Villa Park and London Midland are cancelling the last train to London (22:14 of New Street)
Not affecting London, but they also cancelled the 22:54 to Northampton which can be a very busy service, especially if there has been anything on at the NEC!
Every train from BHI between 5:40 and 6:20 was rammed today being the last day of EGX (Which was amazing btw) VT Arriva and LM all rammed
Quote from: Dom on September 27, 2015, 08:52:42 PM
Every train from BHI between 5:40 and 6:20 was rammed today being the last day of EGX (Which was amazing btw) VT Arriva and LM all rammed
Reading this with a cheeky smile on my face as my train (from Liverpool) into Smethwick, then Birmingham has plenty of spare seats ;D
Up to their best again tonight.
Last train from Liverpool to brum is cancelled. I've apparently now got to get the last one to Crewe an hour later and a replacement bus from there.
Oh the joys.
Quote from: Kevin on October 01, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Up to their best again tonight.
Last train from Liverpool to brum is cancelled. I've apparently now got to get the last one to Crewe an hour later and a replacement bus from there.
Oh the joys.
@Kevin Train starting from Crewe, why they couldn't hold it to await the connection?
Mind you looking at it, next train is an hour later!
Well I got home eventually at quarter to 2....
London Midland will be getting a nice taxi receipt with the compensation form because I missed the last bus home as well
Apparently the cancellations last night were due to the train's automatic braking system being deployed earlier. That's what it said I'm the app anyway :-\
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 02, 2015, 09:40:03 AM
Apparently the cancellations last night were due to the train's automatic braking system being deployed earlier. That's what it said I'm the app anyway :-\
Thought that was on the Cross City line, unless the unit that works that service comes off the Cross City?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 02, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
Thought that was on the Cross City line, unless the unit that works that service comes off the Cross City?
The forming service is the 19:36 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street this was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
The forming service is the 19:36 Birmingham New Street to Liverpool Lime Street this was cancelled due to an issue with the train crew
The 20:04 Liverpool to Birmingham was cancelled when it got to Crewe presumably due to the same train crew issue, was a shame something couldn't have been sorted so that the last departure off Liverpool to Birmingham could have operated in full, instead of starting at Crewe!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 27, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
Not affecting London, but they also cancelled the 22:54 to Northampton which can be a very busy service, especially if there has been anything on at the NEC!
Just as a postscript to last Saturday's LM services - one of the Euston - MKC stoppers was cancelled due to non-availability of crew; it was 17:09 northbound off Leighton Buzzard which I was trying to catch. In consequence the following 17:42 semi-fast via Northampton to New Street was both rammed and late; it was only a 4-car (251 from memory) and to make matters worse, the toilets were out of use.
They made an on-board announcement of an extended "relief" stop at MKC - of course that's a busy station anyway, and when about 150 people got off there, the guy standing next to me said, horrified, "Surely they're not ALL going for a piddle ....." :D :D :D
The conductor wasn't the happiest of bunnies and told me the unit shouldn't ever have been allowed off depot in that state. There seemed to be at least three spare units actually in and around Northampton station when we got there, and I would have thought that they could have switched our defective one, but it didn't happen ....
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 02, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
Thought that was on the Cross City line, unless the unit that works that service comes off the Cross City?
Just repeating what the app said. Although I did see some CrossCity line services delayed for the same reason
Seen a 170/153 at Sandwell and Dudley at 15:45 unusual?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 03, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
Seen a 170/153 at Sandwell and Dudley at 15:45 unusual?
Think that would have come from Shrewsbury so no it isn't
Any 323s used on Bhm to cov on Sunday's?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2015, 05:13:47 PM
Any 323s used on Bhm to cov on Sunday's?
No there isn't as it is booked 350s and is 350 operated
@Trident 4194
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2015, 05:13:47 PM
Any 323s used on Bhm to cov on Sunday's?
Never. The 323's that finish at Cov on Saturday night are stabled there until Monday morning.
Don't know if anyone else has posted this, but as it was a LM train, will post it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-34650728
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 30, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Don't know if anyone else has posted this, but as it was a LM train, will post it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-34650728
I hadn't seen the web page before although I did see him featured in action at New Street on Midlands Today. It was quite entertaining despite the fact that I normally find his sense of humour difficult to enjoy.
Quote from: Bryan on October 31, 2015, 09:35:28 AM
I hadn't seen the web page before although I did see him featured in action at New Street on Midlands Today. It was quite entertaining despite the fact that I normally find his sense of humour difficult to enjoy.
I find the man very funny and entertaining
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 30, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Don't know if anyone else has posted this, but as it was a LM train, will post it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-34650728
Hehe, that is quite amusing to be honest, I'm gutted that I missed it, what day did he do the announcements
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 31, 2015, 12:11:17 PM
Hehe, that is quite amusing to be honest, I'm gutted that I missed it, what day did he do the announcements
Thursday I think.
Would love to have heard him attempt the Pwllheli train...
According to Realtime Trains, London Midland cancelled over 50 departures from New Street on Saturday, the majority due to train crew unavailability. I've heard that some crew failed to turn up due to Halloween! Anybody would think that it was as important as Christmas Day.
Isn't it time that DfT put LM out of their misery and relieved them of the franchise?
Quote from: Roy on November 02, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
According to Realtime Trains, London Midland cancelled over 50 departures from New Street on Saturday, the majority due to train crew unavailability. I've heard that some crew failed to turn up due to Halloween! Anybody would think that it was as important as Christmas Day.
Isn't it time that DfT put LM out of their misery and relieved them of the franchise?
This forum really makes me laugh at times I swear. You've 'heard' that some didn't turn up due to Halloween? Really. And how pray tell does anybody, even within LM, know that?
I don't know where you work or who with, but I'm assuming you didn't notice that there's been a flu bug around for about two weeks? I should know as I was off with it myself and have seen plenty of others who got it. We are told not to come to work when we are in safety critical roles if we are not up to it.
And what's more, when a train is cancelled due to traincrew unavailability, it is actually very rarely due to somebody not turning up. There are hundreds of reasons why a train may be affected by unavailability of traincrew.
Please don't come on here making such sweeping and totally unfounded accusations about peoples' professionalism unless you are able to back them up accordingly.
Quote from: andy41 on November 02, 2015, 05:29:23 PM
This forum really makes me laugh at times I swear. You've 'heard' that some didn't turn up due to Halloween? Really. And how pray tell does anybody, even within LM, know that?
I don't know where you work or who with, but I'm assuming you didn't notice that there's been a flu bug around for about two weeks? I should know as I was off with it myself and have seen plenty of others who got it. We are told not to come to work when we are in safety critical roles if we are not up to it.
And what's more, when a train is cancelled due to traincrew unavailability, it is actually very rarely due to somebody not turning up. There are hundreds of reasons why a train may be affected by unavailability of traincrew.
Please don't come on here making such sweeping and totally unfounded accusations about peoples' professionalism unless you are able to back them up accordingly.
Excuse me but we have moderators on here to tell people what they can and can't say, please leave it to them.
I worked in the railway industry for many years and yes traincrew do sometimes not turn up just because its halloween. The next occasion will be Christmas, you watch on the Fridays and Saturdays before Christmas how many trains are cancelled because of train crew non availability, either because staff just don't turn up, they phone in sick or don't want to work there rest days.
It will always be an issue within the railway industry, it costs to much to train drivers just to sack them because they don't turn up.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 02, 2015, 06:14:50 PM
Excuse me but we have moderators on here to tell people what they can and can't say, please leave it to them.
I worked in the railway industry for many years and yes traincrew do sometimes not turn up just because its halloween. The next occasion will be Christmas, you watch on the Fridays and Saturdays before Christmas how many trains are cancelled because of train crew non availability, either because staff just don't turn up, they phone in sick or don't want to work there rest days.
It will always be an issue within the railway industry, it costs to much to train drivers just to sack them because they don't turn up.
Precisely. Don't want to work their rest days is not traincrew not turning up is it? Rest days were optional last time I checked.
And quite frankly I will say what I like when somebody is questioning mine and my colleagues professionalism without any actual evidence of it. It is the OP's post that should be moderated mate. Neither is it for you to moderate me.
@andy41 Admin will decide what you can/cannot say & who's posts do/don't get moderated, please ensure it stays friendly! Winston
@andy41 @Stuharris 6360 - Keep it civil. Kind Regards, LS
The new December timetables have been released
This morning, I decided to catch the train to get to work, as I've been getting fed up of the 'Tuesday Traffic' madness that has just been getting worse over the last few weeks.
I was only travelling from Spring Road to Small Heath (walking the rest of the way, which I must say did me the world of good!), but I was horrified at how ram-packed the train already was when I got on board! Thankfully I was only travelling two stops, and it was barely a six minute journey, is this pretty normal on the trains during the morning peak, because it's put me off trying that journey again?
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
This morning, I decided to catch the train to get to work, as I've been getting fed up of the 'Tuesday Traffic' madness that has just been getting worse over the last few weeks.
I was only travelling from Spring Road to Small Heath (walking the rest of the way, which I must say did me the world of good!), but I was horrified at how ram-packed the train already was when I got on board! Thankfully I was only travelling two stops, and it was barely a six minute journey, is this pretty normal on the trains during the morning peak, because it's put me off trying that journey again?
Yes. Some trains on my line have been known to leave people because they physically cannot get on - happened on the 17:42 from New Street last Wednesday
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Yes. Some trains on my line have been known to leave people because they physically cannot get on - happened on the 17:42 from New Street last Wednesday
Not good! This was the journey timetabled from Spring Road towards Kidderminster at 8:17am; I would have been alright if the platforms at Spring Road and Small Heath had been on the same side! Now I think about it, I probably would have been better off travelling from Acocks Green instead lol!
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Yes. Some trains on my line have been known to leave people because they physically cannot get on - happened on the 17:42 from New Street last Wednesday
The first train from Rugeley (05:55) in the morning is apparently already full and standing when it gets to Walsall. Tried to catch it from Hamstead (06:41) to work the other day when Diamonds 16s weren't showing up but physically couldn't get on board.
Just 2 carriages. What a joke.
I know it's mostly Amazon staff but come on there must be a spare unit lying around at that time in the morning
Quote from: Kevin on November 25, 2015, 12:20:18 PM
The first train from Rugeley (05:55) in the morning is apparently already full and standing when it gets to Walsall. Tried to catch it from Hamstead (06:41) to work the other day when Diamonds 16s weren't showing up but physically couldn't get on board.
Just 2 carriages. What a joke.
I know it's mostly Amazon staff but come on there must be a spare unit lying around at that time in the morning
There isn't!
The gentleman in charge of unit diagramming lives in Landywood and goes in on the train including that one quite often and knows the problems, but there is no more units for him to use.
The first possible chance for us to get more units is when the 'D-train' starts coming on stream next year these could be used on the Coventry-Nuneaton service, Coventry Council are pushing for that, or the Bedford-Bletchley line, but even if they were it would only free one class 150 two car and two class 153 single cars.
@Tony what's a D train? Is that the ex London underground stock being converted into normal overground operation?
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
This morning, I decided to catch the train to get to work, as I've been getting fed up of the 'Tuesday Traffic' madness that has just been getting worse over the last few weeks.
I was only travelling from Spring Road to Small Heath (walking the rest of the way, which I must say did me the world of good!), but I was horrified at how ram-packed the train already was when I got on board! Thankfully I was only travelling two stops, and it was barely a six minute journey, is this pretty normal on the trains during the morning peak, because it's put me off trying that journey again?
I regret to say this is normal. If the train before the one you used has one carriage less than usual, passengers sometimes get left behind at Hall Green and Spring Road. Use of trains in the West Midlands just continues to rise and rise.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on November 25, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
I regret to say this is normal. If the train before the one you used has one carriage less than usual, passengers sometimes get left behind at Hall Green and Spring Road. Use of trains in the West Midlands just continues to rise and rise.
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But sadly the amount of rolling stock available remains very static. It will be interesting to see what happens when the new rail franchise is announced, but until then things ain't going to get any better!
Quote from: Chris on November 25, 2015, 07:08:09 PM
@Tony what's a D train? Is that the ex London underground stock being converted into normal overground operation?
Yes
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 25, 2015, 07:31:43 PM
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But sadly the amount of rolling stock available remains very static. It will be interesting to see what happens when the new rail franchise is announced, but until then things ain't going to get any better!
The chances are nothing. There is a distinct lack of carriages in the UK affecting all operators, not just London Midland. Ideally I'd like to see extra carriages in both the LM and TPE franchises when they're re-let...but its not going to happen unfortunately.
Quote from: T840MAK on November 25, 2015, 08:07:53 PM
The chances are nothing. There is a distinct lack of carriages in the UK affecting all operators, not just London Midland. Ideally I'd like to see extra carriages in both the LM and TPE franchises when they're re-let...but its not going to happen unfortunately.
This is from a press release i received earlier
"The recent historic West Midlands Devolution Agreement means:
· A new, directly elected Mayor for the West Midlands.
· Devolution of powers over adult skills, employment and transport launching the competition for the new West Midlands rail franchise, which will incentivise bidders
to deliver better services and enhanced capacity, along with better stations and access, both in the West Midlands and on commuter routes into London. The next franchisee will also be required to work with West Midlands Rail to prepare for the journey towards full devolution of rail services to the West Midlands. West Midlands Rail and DfT will jointly launch a public consultation in December."
so you never know?!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 25, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
This is from a press release i received earlier
"The recent historic West Midlands Devolution Agreement means:
· A new, directly elected Mayor for the West Midlands.
· Devolution of powers over adult skills, employment and transport launching the competition for the new West Midlands rail franchise, which will incentivise bidders to deliver better services and enhanced capacity, along with better stations and access, both in the West Midlands and on commuter routes into London. The next franchisee will also be required to work with West Midlands Rail to prepare for the journey towards full devolution of rail services to the West Midlands. West Midlands Rail and DfT will jointly launch a public consultation in December."
so you never know?!
So I shall ask where the extra capacity will come from. No other TOC can afford to lose any more carriages and the only "new" carriages coming onto the market are the D-Train class 230(?) - which isn't yet in "production" properly with the prototype not yet being a full set afaik.
The one positive is that when the Rugeley Valley line is finally electrified in 2017, it will free up diesels to use elsewhere on the West Midlands network hopefully. The other thing to note is that the Gospel Oak line in London should be electrifed by 2017 - that will free up 8 Class 172s. It would make sense for either Chiltern or London Midland to have them considering the few operators with them.
Just out of interest, didn't London Midland have an option to purchase another 26 Class 172 vehicles?
London Midland are going to be even shorter of stock after another class 172 engine fire this morning
http://solihullobserver.co.uk/news/breaking-fire-lapworth-railway-station/
I think at this stage Bombardier ought to be getting involved to try and find the cause of the fires and make the necessary modifications if required to the London Overground and Chiltern ones along with the LM ones so that another fire doesn't happen.
Glad to hear all passengers/crew are fine.
Sure Bombardier probably are involved; very strange why this is happening. Pain for London Midland - already have 172338 running round as a two car. Think it was at the time of 338's fire that as soon as 338 returned as a two car set, that another unit had to be pulled from service to graffiti damage...
Would be interesting to see what happens if they were to ground the whole fleet, like they did with the class 155s al; those years ago. These days there just isn't any stock that could be begged or borrowed to try and keep a service running!
Not sure if it was last year or earlier, but it seems that during a previous "shortage of rolling stock". London Midland had actually got some of its own units on hire to another TOC at the time. :-\
QuotePain for London Midland - already have 172338 running round as a two car.
Weird coincidence: according to a poster on the RailUK forum, the Lapworth unit affected was 333 (one of the driving cars) - and 338 was running as a 2-car on the back of it .....
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2015, 11:08:29 AM
London Midland are going to be even shorter of stock after another class 172 engine fire this morning
http://solihullobserver.co.uk/news/breaking-fire-lapworth-railway-station/
Yes, this afternoon the 1509 (Worcs), 1519 (SJ) and 1529 (Kidder) from Moor Street were all 2 carriage trains.
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 26, 2015, 12:57:30 AM
The one positive is that when the Rugeley Valley line is finally electrified in 2017, it will free up diesels to use elsewhere on the West Midlands network hopefully.
Does this means a regular Sunday service on the line finally, or does this mean rail replacements continue?
Franchise extension
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/rail-franchising-west-midlands
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Franchise extension
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/rail-franchising-west-midlands
Sounds promising, free WiFi especially on longer routes (CrossCountry on their long services don't offer that luxury...) but really is tweaking around the edges, ie extra evening and Sunday capacity. I can't help feeling what's really needed is upping the peak capacity of certain routes. LM really aren't bad, it's service delivery that seems to have been the issue, hopefully more staff/apprentices should go some way to address that longer term.
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Franchise extension
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/rail-franchising-west-midlands
The new Sunday services to Stratford and Dorridge interest me the most, currently the last services from Moor St are just after 6
Does the 150 still operate 10:49 ex Bhm for Hereford?
First signs of electrification work on the Hednesford line, several mast bases have now been put in
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 06, 2015, 04:04:20 PM
Does the 150 still operate 10:49 ex Bhm for Hereford?
Yeah, as far as I know
The Birmingham Post reports that London Midland to arm staff with body cameras to help gain evidence for anti-social behaviour.
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/london-midland-arm-staff-body-10570208
172333 now back out operated 2J16 the 08:00 Leamington Spa - Stourbridge Junction this morning seen it at Olton.
Its damaged driving carriage has been replaced by what I assume is a driving carriage from 172338 as the 8 has been replaced with a non standard number 3.
Does anybody know which Class operates 2A89 the 10:42 Birmingham New Street - Walsall Service.
According to RTT its pathed as a 150/153/155/156 I just need confirmation.
Thank You in Advance :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on December 29, 2015, 03:05:40 PM
Does anybody know which Class operates 2A89 the 10:42 Birmingham New Street - Walsall Service.
According to RTT its pathed as a 150/153/155/156 I just need confirmation.
Thank You in Advance :)
There isn't a 10:42 to Walsall this week, but if you mean normally it is a 2 car class 170 same as all the other xx42 departures
Quote from: Tony on December 29, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
There isn't a 10:42 to Walsall this week, but if you mean normally it is a 2 car class 170 same as all the other xx42 departures
Thank You
@Tony :) Much Appreciated
153365+153371 were on the Coventry to Nuneaton line yesterday. Is this now booked 2 car or just something noteworthy?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 03, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
153365+153371 were on the Coventry to Nuneaton line yesterday. Is this now booked 2 car or just something noteworthy?
Believe the new stations at Bermuda Park and Ricoh Arena due to open start of the year (tomorrow?) so maybe longer trains ready for the massed hoards waiting to catch it.....
....lol
Quote from: Kevin on January 03, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Believe the new stations at Bermuda Park and Ricoh Arena due to open start of the year (tomorrow?) so maybe longer trains ready for the massed hoards waiting to catch it.....
....lol
One man and his dog lol.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 03, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
153365+153371 were on the Coventry to Nuneaton line yesterday. Is this now booked 2 car or just something noteworthy?
Will probably be a regular thing for when Coventry FC play at home
Is 2S44 the 12:52 Worcester Shrub Hill - Whitlocks End formed of a 170+153 Combination or is it just a 170? :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on January 03, 2016, 09:58:31 PM
Is 2S44 the 12:52 Worcester Shrub Hill - Whitlocks End formed of a 170+153 Combination or is it just a 170? :)
170+153. Occasionally just the 170, if the 153's fault
Is that Due In Cradley for 13:29 as Its Mainly a 170 2 car unit and a 153 but nobody is allowed on it as i asked the conductor before and he told me No
Quote from: RS on January 03, 2016, 10:32:30 PM
Is that Due In Cradley for 13:29 as Its Mainly a 170 2 car unit and a 153 but nobody is allowed on it as i asked the conductor before and he told me No
It's a 170/6, it's always a 3 car unit. They usually open the 153 after Moor Street, I stopped getting the 13:35 (ex Galton Bridge) when they started locking the 153 out of use
Has the new kenilworth station been built yet?
Quote from: Chris on January 03, 2016, 10:43:39 PM
Has the new kenilworth station been built yet?
https://kenilworthstation.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/response-to-dft-announcement/
It is due in December... But as for Coventry Arena and Bermuda Park... Nothing has been announced on that since September...
Information concerning Coventry Arena & Bermuda Park appears confusing at the moment.
1. National Rail Enquiries do not recognise the stations
2. London Midland show the stations but state there is no service within the next hour.
3. Real TimeTrains appear to show the service in operation.
Kenilworth Station is due to open in December 2016, i visited the site a few months ago which had been cleared but no materials for building were about.
Quote from: JIM H on January 04, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
Information concerning Coventry Arena & Bermuda Park appears confusing at the moment.
1. National Rail Enquiries do not recognise the stations
2. London Midland show the stations but state there is no service within the next hour.
3. Real TimeTrains appear to show the service in operation.
:D :D :D
Don't think that LM are entirely sure about what is going on
http://www.londonmidland.com/your-journey/station-info/newstations/
I never realised train drivers got such good pay. 47K will do nicely. Any recommendations if I was to pursue this career?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 28, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
I never realised train drivers got such good pay. 47K will do nicely. Any recommendations if I was to pursue this career?
Think you got to be at least 21
https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning/jobprofiles/Pages/TrainDriver.aspx
Not an easy job to get into - but rewarding and secure if you do. Really to be in the best place to become one you need to do a job of responsibility beforehand (bus driving even). Or alternatively work a couple of years on the railways in another position before applying for driving (station role or guard). The application process is rigorous with aptitude tests and interviews, and you need a decent academic record. The TOCs want the best suited people for the role due to the high level of responsibility involved and the absolute need for the employee to be reliable and dependable. However if you're committed, hard working, have good situational awareness and show a genuie interest in the railways, sure you can do it. I know someone who is a driver who loves the job who started as a guard at the same company.
150105 reported as being on the Snow Hill line on Friday.
@Tony what line is that 153/150 on on main site?
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2016, 06:10:23 PM
Which photo?
Most recent one on main site at rugeley 350 you have stated but 153 is just viewable
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Most recent one on main site at rugeley 350 you have stated but 153 is just viewable
It's at Rugeley, so take a wild guess out of all the routes LM operate which could it possibly be?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Most recent one on main site at rugeley 350 you have stated but 153 is just viewable
That's a 153/170 that's what threw me. any 153/150 combos are from a few years back, so harder to remember
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2016, 06:34:46 PM
That's a 153/170 that's what threw me. any 153/150 combos are from a few years back, so harder to remember
Oh ok apologies and thanks for that
I'm off to fetch a 323 back from Crewe LNWR shortly. It's running as 5L01 and booked 18.30 departure from Crewe if any one is interested in viewing it. I will update the info if things change.
Quote from: 1707 on February 24, 2016, 03:42:42 PM
I'm off to fetch a 323 back from Crewe LNWR shortly. It's running as 5L01 and booked 18.30 departure from Crewe if any one is interested in viewing it. I will update the info if things change.
@1707 has it been for tyre turning?
Quote from: 1707 on February 24, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Move on.
left Crewe 17 early, currently 3 early at Norton Bridge.
if you look at the train, 5L01, on Real Time Trains, it is timed for 224mph max :o :o :o
This Sunday (28th February) London Midland are hiring in 6 Mk2 carriages from Riviera Trains and two locomotives from DBS (presumably class 67s) to run between Nuneaton and Coventry calling only at the Stadium station for the Wasps Rugby match
See trains can stop there on match days despite the press reports!
Nice to see loco hauled trains on LM services again!
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
This Sunday (28th February) London Midland are hiring in 6 Mk2 carriages from Riviera Trains and two locomotives from DBS (presumably class 67s) to run between Nuneaton and Coventry calling only at the Stadium station for the Wasps Rugby match
See trains can stop there on match days despite the press reports!
Modern railways this month is the first magazine to actually pick this up!
Nice to see loco hauled trains on LM services again!
If anyone is interested these must be the workings it'll operate going by RTT Info
2T01 12:18 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T02 12:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T03 13:20 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T04 13:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T05 14:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T06 14:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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5T08 15:25 ECS Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T08 16:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T07 17:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T10 17:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T09 18:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T12 18:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 25, 2016, 06:40:49 PM
If anyone is interested these must be the workings it'll operate going by RTT Info
2T01 12:18 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T02 12:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T03 13:20 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T04 13:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T05 14:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T06 14:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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5T08 15:25 ECS Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T08 16:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T07 17:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T10 17:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T09 18:19 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T12 18:50 Nuneaton - Coventry
Hmm... That could be an interesting day out!
The 'brummie man' announcements are back at New Street
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
This Sunday (28th February) London Midland are hiring in 6 Mk2 carriages from Riviera Trains and two locomotives from DBS (presumably class 67s) to run between Nuneaton and Coventry calling only at the Stadium station for the Wasps Rugby match
See trains can stop there on match days despite the press reports!
Nice to see loco hauled trains on LM services again!
According to the Wasps Official Website it'll also be running on Saturday 12th March for the Match against Leicester Tigers
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 27, 2016, 12:08:02 PM
According to the Wasps Official Website it'll also be running on Saturday 12th March for the Match against Leicester Tigers
Yes, my friend at LM has confirmed that as well
Also March 19th against Sale Sharks I am told.
2 More Class 319's have moved to London Midland 319441 & 319457
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 27, 2016, 09:18:28 PM
2 More Class 319's have moved to London Midland 319441 & 319457
There's 3 more, 7 in total now
Do I assume all of these are for use on the London commuter services?
Quote from: Kevin on February 28, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
Do I assume all of these are for use on the London commuter services?
And the Watford - St Albans branch which isn't cleared for 350s
Can anyone help with the price of a return between cannock and new Street before 930 please?
Quote from: Bob on February 28, 2016, 01:12:34 PM
Can anyone help with the price of a return between cannock and new Street before 930 please?
£9.00
67006 & 67028 working Coventry-Nuneaton shuttles.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on February 28, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
67006 & 67028 working Coventry-Nuneaton shuttles.
It's for the Wasps at the Ricoh Arena. I did the first trip with
@Alex and there were more enthusiasts on than people going to watch the game! It's happening again on the 12th of March.
Hauled train shown on TV midlands evening news with interviews.
Stourbridge Town Car hasn't been running for part of the day so i have been told, when I passed the Town station earlier this evening, there was a First bus parked there with Rail Replacement on the froot and Worcester printed in big letters on the back??
Don't know if anybody can Identify the bus.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 28, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Stourbridge Town Car hasn't been running for part of the day so i have been told, when I passed the Town station earlier this evening, there was a First bus parked there with Rail Replacement on the froot and Worcester printed in big letters on the back??
Don't know if anybody can Identify the bus.
@Stuharris 6360 It was 53046 :)
I am told the Class 67's on the COV-NUN will be running on Saturday 12th March, Sunday 20th March, Saturday 2nd April and Saturday 7th May. These are apparently not confirmed so could change or more dates could be added.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 28, 2016, 08:59:59 PM
@Alex and there were more enthusiasts on than people going to watch the game! It's happening again on the 12th of March.
Noted "Jed" on TV this morning, going for the haulage/mileage no doubt . . . . . . 8)
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on February 29, 2016, 05:42:11 PM
Noted "Jed" on TV this morning, going for the haulage/mileage no doubt . . . . . . 8)
Next Saturday, as well as the loco hauled set, the normal service will be double! - Two 153s in multiple.
Tony it was 2 x 153 on Sunday.
Quote from: Tony on February 29, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
Next Saturday, as well as the loco hauled set, the normal service will be double! - Two 153s in multiple.
Had a "retro" journey from Bromsgrove to Brum one morning recently. A 153/150 combo - still had to stand all the way though. :(
Class 37 towing a 323 from Tyseley to Soho booked this afternoon
Times can be found here
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O74496/2016/03/02/advanced
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2016, 08:18:43 AM
Class 37 towing a 323 from Tyseley to Soho booked this afternoon
Times can be found here
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O74496/2016/03/02/advanced
@Tony Doesn't that need a barrier vehicle?
Seems it's been cancelled due to contractural exclusions, whatever that is!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 02, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
@Tony Doesn't that need a barrier vehicle?
Seems it's been cancelled due to contractural exclusions, whatever that is!
It would do yes.
Realtime Trains does occasionally mix up the cancellation codes, although if it is correct then I have no idea what that means!
Quote from: T840MAK on March 02, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
It would do yes.
Realtime Trains does occasionally mix up the cancellation codes, although if it is correct then I have no idea what that means!
It did run, but they cancelled that original entry and entered another earlier one
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H61995/2016/03/02/advanced
170632 is on Walsall Wolves locals today. Just left New St heading to Wolves on the 10.39 if anyone's interested
170632 on the Wolves to Walsall today. Currently sat at Wolves to work 11.20 Walsall. Very rare working these days!!
323221 has now received a British Transport Police livery on the center pantograph carriage.
For those looking for 323221, I've just seen it on the Aston Expressway heading towards Erdington attached to another 323.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 07, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
For those looking for 323221, I've just seen it on the Aston Expressway heading towards Erdington attached to another 323.
I'll more than likely see it on the Wolves-Walsall eventually
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 07, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
For those looking for 323221, I've just seen it on the Aston Expressway heading towards Erdington attached to another 323.
Er, what was 323221 doing on the Aston Expressway?!?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 07, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
Er, what was 323221 doing on the Aston Expressway?!?
I meant I was on a 904 on the Expressway and it passed me on the Cross City line.
According to the LM twitter new units are coming in the summer for the London - Birmingham line.
The Class 67's will be running again this Saturday on the Coventry-Nuneaton line if anyone wants to go for them. Should be the same workings as last time.
Quote from: WN on March 09, 2016, 09:54:28 AM
According to the LM twitter new units are coming in the summer for the London - Birmingham line.
Looking forward to seeing what units these will be. :)
Also according to LM's Wikipedia Page All of Northern's Class 323's are moving to LM when the Arriva Rail North Franchise comes into force on 1st April 2016
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 09, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
The Class 67's will be running again this Saturday on the Coventry-Nuneaton line if anyone wants to go for them. Should be the same workings as last time.
I'm hoping to try and catch them this Saturday :)
Hi guys need your help. I change jobs in three weeks and will be needing a monthly pass to and from Birmingham from Hednesford /Cannock. I want to pay direct debit but I'm assuming I'll have to buy the first one cash? Which pass do I need and how much and can I buy the first one from walsall train station ( or anywhere else?) And pay cash and set up the DD there?
Quote from: Bob on March 09, 2016, 07:40:02 PM
Hi guys need your help. I change jobs in three weeks and will be needing a monthly pass to and from Birmingham from Hednesford /Cannock. I want to pay direct debit but I'm assuming I'll have to buy the first one cash? Which pass do I need and how much and can I buy the first one from walsall train station ( or anywhere else?) And pay cash and set up the DD there?
You need a Zone 1-5 nTrain ticket (nNetwork is only valid to Bloxwich North). Walsall station will sort out either cash paymenbt or direct debit for you
Thanks tony
Quote from: T840MAK on March 02, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
It would do yes.
Realtime Trains does occasionally mix up the cancellation codes, although if it is correct then I have no idea what that means!
A 323 unit with a barrier coach at each end was parked on the loop nr Hamstead this afternoon (Wed 14.35pm) presumably Ex Soho... I didn't see the loco unfortunately >:(
London midland has to be the best value for money when going to london from birmingham
LM :- £32 for off peak with day travel card
CR :- £34 for off peak with day travel card
VT :- didn't give me an option
(Based on the off peak return not super off peak)
Quote from: Chris on March 09, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
London midland has to be the best value for money when going to london from birmingham
LM :- £32 for off peak with day travel card
CR :- £34 for off peak with day travel card
VT :- didn't give me an option
(Based on the off peak return not super off peak)
Chiltern do it in half the time
Quote from: Chris on March 09, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
London midland has to be the best value for money when going to london from birmingham
LM :- £32 for off peak with day travel card
CR :- £34 for off peak with day travel card
VT :- didn't give me an option
(Based on the off peak return not super off peak)
London Midland - Birmingham New Street London Euston - About 2 hours 25 minutes
Virgin Trains - Birmingham New Street - London Euston - About 1 hour 25 minutes
Chiltern Railways - About 1 hour 45 minutes - 2 hours
So, if you use London Midland you will end up having to sit on a train for about an extra hour. Most passenger from Birmingham to London would want to get there in the quickest time. Few would want to sit on a train for 2 hours 25 minutes when they can get there in 2 hours 25 minutes.
When the track was closed on the Chiltern line last year with the landslide, I upgraded to first class on London Midland for the extra £10 at the weekend. Never again. No train staff, no refreshements available and first class was a free for all for any chav wanting to charge their phone.
Chiltern will always be my preferred operator and route into London.
Here are the times for the 67's tomorrow if anybody wants to catch them
2T01 11:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T02 11:43 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T03 12:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T04 12:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T05 13:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T06 13:41 Nuneaton - Coventry
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5T08 14:12 ECS Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T08 15:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T07 16:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T10 16:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T09 17:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T12 17:49 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T11 18:21 Coventry - Nuneaton
is there any particular reason for putting 67's on the short route from Cov to Nuneaton? ? is it a centenary special? :-\ :-\
Quote from: windy miller on March 11, 2016, 06:44:17 PM
is there any particular reason for putting 67's on the short route from Cov to Nuneaton? ? is it a centenary special? :-\ :-\
Rugby again
Quote from: Chris on March 09, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
London midland has to be the best value for money when going to london from birmingham
LM :- £32 for off peak with day travel card
CR :- £34 for off peak with day travel card
VT :- didn't give me an option
(Based on the off peak return not super off peak)
If you had been keeping an eye on virgin train offers recently (March 1 to March 3) you would have been offered a choice of 80k + or more cheap tickets on the west coast from as little as £4. The last travel date would have been May 2nd. I could have had a trip to Manchester for £5 and return at the same price. Unfortunately if you wanted additional tram travel, to the East lancs railway at Bury maybe, you would need to pay another £5. Personally, I buy a cheap day return from Wolves to Macclesfield with a railcard And buy a Manchester day ranger ticket at an over 60's concessionary price of £6. This ticket gives me freedom of the entire Manchester system from Buxton in the east to Warrington Bank quay in the west and Bury to the north. Total cost around £14. I did manage to book two trips to London (Euston) and return for as little as £4.00 each way on selected trains. needless to say they were all 'snapped up' in two days.....
07.30am New st to Euston arrive 08.43am.... and 18.43pm from Euston return.....
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 11, 2016, 05:38:15 AM
Here are the times for the 67's tomorrow if anybody wants to catch them
2T01 11:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T02 11:43 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T03 12:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T04 12:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T05 13:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T06 13:41 Nuneaton - Coventry
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5T08 14:12 ECS Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T08 15:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T07 16:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T10 16:40 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T09 17:12 Coventry - Nuneaton
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2T12 17:49 Nuneaton - Coventry
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2T11 18:21 Coventry - Nuneaton
Just been sent the full timings. Looks like a long day for 67005+67028 tomorrow.
0Z21 05:56 Toton T.M.D. to Burton Ot Wetmore Sidings
5Z21 08:04 Burton Ot Wetmore Sidings to Coventry
2T01 11:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T02 11:43 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T03 12:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T04 12:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T05 13:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T06 13:41 Nuneaton to Coventry
5T08 14:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T08 15:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T07 16:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T10 16:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T09 17:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T12 17:49 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T11 18:21 Coventry to Nuneaton
5Z22 18:59 Nuneaton to Bescot Down Side
have you any idea what stock they propose to use for the service? :-\
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 11, 2016, 07:10:13 PM
Just been sent the full timings. Looks like a long day for 67005+67028 tomorrow.
0Z21 05:56 Toton T.M.D. to Burton Ot Wetmore Sidings
5Z21 08:04 Burton Ot Wetmore Sidings to Coventry
2T01 11:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T02 11:43 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T03 12:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T04 12:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T05 13:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T06 13:41 Nuneaton to Coventry
5T08 14:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T08 15:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T07 16:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T10 16:40 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T09 17:12 Coventry to Nuneaton
2T12 17:49 Nuneaton to Coventry
2T11 18:21 Coventry to Nuneaton
5Z22 18:59 Nuneaton to Bescot Down Side
How do you know it is 67005 & 67028?
67022 was at Bescot today
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2016, 07:14:55 PM
How do you know it is 67005 & 67028?
67022 was at Bescot today
I've been told it will be 005 and 028 as 006 has gone down to Eastleigh.
Quick question about the daytripper plus
If i get the £9 ticket in addition to stratford/Kidderminster extension does that include lichfield and Rugeley extensions too?
Quote from: Chris on March 11, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
Quick question about the daytripper plus
If i get the £9 ticket in addition to stratford/Kidderminster extension does that include lichfield and Rugeley extensions too?
Lichfield yes, Rugeley no.
https://ticketing.networkwestmidlands.com/Home/ShowTicket/17039
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2016, 07:14:55 PM
How do you know it is 67005 & 67028?
67022 was at Bescot today
I've just asked a friend in the know who has confirmed 67005 and 67028 to move from Toton to Burton to fetch the stock for tomorrow's additionals.
I don't know if this is true, but apparently this will be the last time 67's do the Rugby Special. Next week DRS 57's or 68's are apparently doing it.
The exact same thing was said two weeks ago about today's.
Did it again today and I've got to say it was not a enjoyable experience. I got a huge telling off by one of the onboard staff for standing by the door with the window partly down (I was not and had no intention of window-hanging). The staff have been telling enthusiasts off who have been standing next to windows and also have kicked a few enthusiasts off after the incident on a Pathfinders Tour some time ago.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 12, 2016, 04:41:12 PM
Did it again today and I've got to say it was not a enjoyable experience. I got a huge telling off by one of the onboard staff for standing by the door with the window partly down (I was not and had no intention of window-hanging). The staff have been telling enthusiasts off who have been standing next to windows and also have kicked a few enthusiasts off after the incident on a Pathfinders Tour some time ago.
Any pictures?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 12, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
Any pictures?
Yeah. Just uploading them to my Facebook and Twitter.
I didn't have any problems in the few round trips I did on them yesterday after making my way up from Euston, completely the opposite, twice had an extremely friendly guy who was engaging in conversation with people, with no other problems to report.
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 09, 2016, 10:57:20 AM
Also according to LM's Wikipedia Page All of Northern's Class 323's are moving to LM when the Arriva Rail North Franchise comes into force on 1st April 2016
I can't see that one happening anytime soon 2017-19 is when the new CAF EMUs are due to Northern meaning the 323's would be displaced by Arriva Northern.
Quote from: tank90 on March 16, 2016, 01:26:13 AM
I can't see that one happening anytime soon 2017-19 is when the new CAF EMUs are due to Northern meaning the 323's would be displaced by Arriva Northern.
The original plan was for the Northern 323s to move in May, however delays in sourcing suitable alternative rolling stock to replace the 323s (319s are not suitable due to platform lengths & timings on the West Coast Mainline stoppers as they do not have the acceleration rating of a 323) has put this back to at least 2017 suggesting that it is the new EMUs being built for Northern that will be replacing the 323s on Manchester - Stoke / Crewe / Hadfield.
Just found this online about the loco haul runs.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ricoh-arena-matchday-trains-doubt-11043422#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 16, 2016, 06:37:41 PM
Just found this online about the loco haul runs.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ricoh-arena-matchday-trains-doubt-11043422#ICID=sharebar_twitter
That's the sort of journalism I like, proper, clear explanations of the story so people don't get the wrong idea
Whoever told me I can set up a direct debit at Walsall train station thanks for nothing. Been there it's 68 pounds a month for a cannock to brum N train. Been told I've got to pay 83 pounds for one cash and they CAN'T set up a direct debit one there it has to be done on line? Great customer service
150262- wolves to brum line
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 20, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
It's arriva trains
Why have you put it in London Midland then?
Quote from: Dom on March 20, 2016, 04:53:18 PM
Why have you put it in London Midland then?
Sorry
Off to fetch a 323 back from Crewe LNWR after tyre turning. It's running as 5G52 at approx 10.40 from Crewe to Soho LMD via Bushbury, Bescot, Perry Barr North Jcn and Soho North Jcn.
350235 now has the same British Transport Police vinyl wrap as 323221
Quote from: tank90 on March 16, 2016, 01:26:13 AM
I can't see that one happening anytime soon 2017-19 is when the new CAF EMUs are due to Northern meaning the 323's would be displaced by Arriva Northern.
323s should be displaced by the first wave of new EMUs; the leasing company wants them to move to the West Midlands franchise as soon as possible.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 11, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
323s should be displaced by the first wave of new EMUs; the leasing company wants them to move to the West Midlands franchise as soon as possible.
Which I'm sure I have said above as April 2018, as per the ARN restructure / fleet modernisation program which has the lease end dates of all stock which is leaving the franchise.
I don't suppose anybody could tell me which 150 Unit will be on the Hereford Service tomorrow?
Thanks in Advance
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 31, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
I don't suppose anybody could tell me which 150 Unit will be on the Hereford Service tomorrow?
Thanks in Advance
150 107
150 105
Probably one of them
Quote from: RS on May 31, 2016, 02:30:03 PM
150 107
150 105
Probably one of them
Is that knowledge from which two of the three are currently at Tyseley, or guesswork?
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
Is that knowledge from which two of the three are currently at Tyseley, or guesswork?
Based on puerly what I have seen before and photographed I did hear though from a driver on the Snow Hill that the 1827 off Birmingham Moor Street should be 153/170/150 but never had that before but the driver may be spinning me a yarn
Quote from: RS on May 31, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
Based on puerly what I have seen before and photographed I did hear though from a driver on the Snow Hill that the 1827 off Birmingham Moor Street should be 153/170/150 but never had that before but the driver may be spinning me a yarn
So you don't know which of the three is currently on the Bedford Line, so pure guesswork! Anyone could have just posted two of the three LM 150 numbers.
The three 150s have two diagrams one on Bedford-Bletchley and one Birmingham New Street-Hereford, none are booked for multiple working or into Snow Hill
The third set had been working vice 172 following the fire incidents, I don't know if it still is.
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
Is that knowledge from which two of the three are currently at Tyseley, or guesswork?
It'll actually be 150105 which is at Tyseley or 150109 which is at Worcester. 150107 is down in Bletchley tonight
Quote from: RS on May 31, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
Based on puerly what I have seen before and photographed I did hear though from a driver on the Snow Hill that the 1827 off Birmingham Moor Street should be 153/170/150 but never had that before but the driver may be spinning me a yarn
The 1827 ex Moor Street is always 153 + 170/6. No 150s on the Snow Hill line unfortunately
Does anybody know which 350 has been named Lichfield Festival? :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 15, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
Does anybody know which 350 has been named Lichfield Festival? :)
Is it 350370?
And the snow Hill lines are flooded again...
...this time at lye
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 16, 2016, 06:59:34 PM
And the snow Hill lines are flooded again...
...this time at lye
3rd time in 2 weeks. Managed to get off my train at Smethwick just before the flooding began
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 16, 2016, 07:04:34 PM
3rd time in 2 weeks. Managed to get off my train at Smethwick just before the flooding began
Photo of Lye-On-Water via Twitter (@NetworkRailBHM)
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 16, 2016, 07:15:04 PM
Photo of Lye-On-Water via Twitter (@NetworkRailBHM)
"A replacement boat service is available" :D
There is currently a 170 on the snow hill line according to a friend of mine.
Quote from: Dom on July 08, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
There is currently a 170 on the snow hill line according to a friend of mine.
They have booked workings
350235 has gained a BTP wrap.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 08, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
350235 has gained a BTP wrap.
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 27, 2016, 10:17:56 PM
350235 now has the same British Transport Police vinyl wrap as 323221
Already posted this a while back.
Quote from: Dom on July 08, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
There is currently a 170 on the snow hill line according to a friend of mine.
There is. A standalone 170/5 (forgot the number even though I've literally just seen it) on the 1742 ex BSW to DDG
BSW - Birmingham Snow Hill
DDG - Dorridge
Does anybody know whos operating rail reps from Snow Hill/Moor Street for London Midland and Chiltern today?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 10, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
Does anybody know whos operating rail reps from Snow Hill/Moor Street for London Midland and Chiltern today?
Last Sunday I saw NX and Johnsons buses, so probably the same again.
London Midland to take the first class 230 (Ex London Underground stock)
http://www.vivarail.co.uk/class-230-to-enter-passenger-service-this-year/
LM press notice suggests this is still subject to third party funding.
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http://londonmidland.mynewsdesk.com/pressreleases/innovative-new-train-could-provide-extra-capacity-for-rail-passengers-on-the-coventry-nuneaton-line-1490141
Quote from: mikestone on July 22, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
LM press notice suggests this is still subject to third party funding
WMCA seem to be involved
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 02:41:07 PM
London Midland to take the first class 230 (Ex London Underground stock)
http://www.vivarail.co.uk/class-230-to-enter-passenger-service-this-year/
Looks like an interesting concept, and as they say, much more than 'London cast-offs'. Would seem to be perfect for urban branch line usage, or even for local city lines.
Quote from: Stu on July 22, 2016, 07:20:00 PM
Looks like an interesting concept, and as they say, much more than 'London cast-offs'. Would seem to be perfect for urban branch line usage, or even for local city lines.
There is a video of it on test here
https://vimeo.com/168240991
A couple of unusual 323 empty stock movements this afternoon if anyone is interested
on Sunday 31/7/16:-
323218 from Manchester to Soho 5Z24, depart Manchester 13:05, arrive Soho 15:19
323242 from Soho to Manchester 5P23, depart Soho 16:45, arrive Manchester 18:31
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2016, 10:16:08 AM
A couple of unusual 323 empty stock movements this afternoon if anyone is interested
on Sunday 31/7/16:-
323218 from Manchester to Soho 5Z24, depart Manchester 13:05, arrive Soho 15:19
323242 from Soho to Manchester 5P23, depart Soho 16:45, arrive Manchester 18:31
And if you miss them this weekend they run every Sunday until December :D
This Sundays moves are
Please note that Freightliner Heavy Haul will be carrying out the following moves on Sunday 14/8/16:-
323202 from Manchester to Soho 5Z24, depart Manchester 13:05, arrive Soho 15:19
323208 from Soho to Manchester 5P23, depart Soho 16:45, arrive Manchester 18:31
Interesting because there was a Longsight - Wolverton yesterday, which I thought might be an LM unit because there should have been a Wolverton-Soho as well.
Cov-nun is broke, replacement buses/ coaches used
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 19, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Cov-nun is broke, replacement buses/ coaches used
Well according to London Midland, it is due to a staff shortage.
https://www.journeycheck.com/londonmidland/?_ga=1.117394305.628010935.1432239777#i1321035093
Quote from: London Midland Website
Due to a member of train crew being unavailable between Coventry and Nuneaton:
Impact
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 22:36 19/08.
Customer Advice
2x coaches will shuttle from Coventry to Nuneaton via Coventry Arena, Bedworth, and Bermuda Park from 1742.
1x double decker coach will start shuttling from Nuneaton to Coventry, via Bermuda Park, Bedworth and Coventry Arena
All road transport is being supplied by Coach Leasing."
Does anyone know why at soho depot there are 5 cars smashed up on track next to 08 and taped off with police tape ?
Quote from: Wright liberator on August 20, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Does anyone know why at soho depot there are 5 cars smashed up on track next to 08 and taped off with police tape ?
Emergency Services exercise.
What is normal allocation for Euston- bham lines? Class 350/*?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 30, 2016, 04:44:39 PM
What is normal allocation for Euston- bham lines? Class 350/*?
Yep all Class 350s (350/1/2/3)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 30, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Yep all Class 350s (350/1/2/3)
Oh ok I thought it was unusual for me to get a 350/3 on Euston line, but obviously not. There great trains the 350/3 seem really fast
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 30, 2016, 05:57:33 PM
Oh ok I thought it was unusual for me to get a 350/3 on Euston line, but obviously not. There great trains the 350/3 seem really fast
Yes as both 350/1 350/3 can do 110mph. Yes the 350/3 are great trains and they have plug sockets at all tables which is useful if your phone is about to die etc
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 30, 2016, 05:57:33 PM
Oh ok I thought it was unusual for me to get a 350/3 on Euston line, but obviously not. There great trains the 350/3 seem really fast
the 350/3s are identical mechanically to the 350/1 and 350/2, the only difference is the /1 & /3 are allowed up to 110mph. The /2 are to be authorised soon as well. 350/1 & /3 will work any diagram, 350/2 are excluded from any diagrammed for 110mph.
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
the 350/3s are identical mechanically to the 350/1 and 350/2, the only difference is the /1 & /3 are allowed up to 110mph. The /2 are to be authorised soon as well. 350/1 & /3 will work any diagram, 350/2 are excluded from any diagrammed for 110mph.
Do the /1s still have their 3rd rail pickup shoes?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 30, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Do the /1s still have their 3rd rail pickup shoes?
They never actually have the shoes on, except when they went on loan, but all the other equipment is still there, so they only need the actual shoes putting back on
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
the 350/3s are identical mechanically to the 350/1 and 350/2, the only difference is the /1 & /3 are allowed up to 110mph. The /2 are to be authorised soon as well. 350/1 & /3 will work any diagram, 350/2 are excluded from any diagrammed for 110mph.
350/2 operation is quite common on diagrams for 110mph, which is generally why most Trent Valley stoppers have around 7 or 8 minutes sat at Rugby - to allow a /2 to catch up with timings if its needed.
Quote from: T840MAK on September 02, 2016, 06:12:27 PM
350/2 operation is quite common on diagrams for 110mph, which is generally why most Trent Valley stoppers have around 7 or 8 minutes sat at Rugby - to allow a /2 to catch up with timings if its needed.
Very Rare I see a /2 at Rugeley
Quote from: T840MAK on September 02, 2016, 06:12:27 PM
350/2 operation is quite common on diagrams for 110mph, which is generally why most Trent Valley stoppers have around 7 or 8 minutes sat at Rugby - to allow a /2 to catch up with timings if its needed.
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I doubt very much that is the reason, just a byproduct of not having a better path.
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In my experience the two down evening eight-cars rarely have a full complement of 110 mph sets.
Quote from: mikestone on September 02, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
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I doubt very much that is the reason, just a byproduct of not having a better path.
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In my experience the two down evening eight-cars rarely have a full complement of 110 mph sets.
There's no issue with paths on the slow lines which the Trent Valley services take north of Rugby, most WCML services are booked onto the fasts for obvious reasons.
There is hardly any 110 mph running north of Rugby on the up slow anyway, only between Armitage and Tamworth.
In any case they are mostly booked at Rugby for one minute, with 1 minute pathing and 1 recovery (which "belongs" to NR's engineers not the TOC) from Nuneaton.
Quote from: mikestone on September 03, 2016, 12:46:13 PM
There is hardly any 110 mph running north of Rugby on the up slow anyway, only between Armitage and Tamworth.
In any case they are mostly booked at Rugby for one minute, with 1 minute pathing and 1 recovery (which "belongs" to NR's engineers not the TOC) from Nuneaton.
All the LM's I've been on through Rugby towards the Trent Valley have had around 5 minutes wait there - must just be me :D
Lots of cancellations through new street and snow hill due to fire alarm. Anyone explain?
New street and snow hill on different lines.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 10, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Lots of cancellations through new street and snow hill due to fire alarm. Anyone explain?
You've answered your own question!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 10, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Lots of cancellations through new street and snow hill due to fire alarm. Anyone explain?
is this a trick question for fook sake get a life and stop posting crap
@Winston can you get this crap stopped??
@karl724223 I've been off duty, but I'd hazard a guess if I was a betting man, @Trident4194 it was because the fire alarm went off.....Winston
Quote from: karl724223 on September 10, 2016, 07:13:30 PM
is this a trick question for fook sake get a life and stop posting crap
@Winston can you get this crap stopped??
Well said!!!!!
Presumably the fire alarms were in the West Midland SCC at Saltley.
it's not a trick question at all - the West Midlands ROC was evacuated at 1135 due to a fire alarm sounding, which brought all services in the West Midlands area and surrounding areas that is signalled by the ROC to be brought to a halt, as is standard procedure.
Of course, the only service running was the Stourbridge Shuttle as this is unsignalled.
Quote from: T840MAK on September 10, 2016, 08:59:32 PM
it's not a trick question at all - the West Midlands ROC was evacuated at 1135 due to a fire alarm sounding, which brought all services in the West Midlands area and surrounding areas that is signalled by the ROC to be brought to a halt, as is standard procedure.
Of course, the only service running was the Stourbridge Shuttle as this is unsignalled.
Yeah, got stuck at Banbury station this morning on a Cross Country for ages due to this!
If the Stourbridge Shuttle was its own TOC, it would have a 100% reliability rate
@T840MAK
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 11, 2016, 12:19:19 AM
If the Stourbridge Shuttle was its own TOC, it would have a 100% reliability rate @T840MAK
It wouldn't. They still have their fair share of unit failures.
172217 has been given a Snow Hill line map above every passenger door, very useful. I imagine other units will follow suit
Last week, I caught the train home from Small Heath. There was no ticket office I could see (apparently on the website it is open from 7am to 10am only!). There was no self-serve ticket machine. The Permit To Travel machine didn't work (looked like it hasn't for a while). And there was no staff checking or issuing tickets on-train. So I ended up travelling on the train unchallenged without a valid ticket for free to Acocks Green*
Are there any other stations like this on the network? I mean, even Spring Road, a little shithole of a station, has a self-serve ticket machine.
The least that London Midland could do, if they're going to keep reducing ticket office opening hours, is to ensure that working ticket machines are available at every station, so that people like me can buy their tickets before they get on the train. What would I have had to do if I'd got off at Snow Hill or Moor Street, where you need a valid ticket to get through the barriers?
*As it happens, the ticket office was also closed at Acocks Green. But they do have a self-serve ticket machine, so I paid for a single journey from ACG to SMA, just for my own peace of mind.
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Last week, I caught the train home from Small Heath. There was no ticket office I could see (apparently on the website it is open from 7am to 10am only!). There was no self-serve ticket machine. The Permit To Travel machine didn't work (looked like it hasn't for a while). And there was no staff checking or issuing tickets on-train. So I ended up travelling on the train unchallenged without a valid ticket for free to Acocks Green*
Are there any other stations like this on the network? I mean, even Spring Road, a little shithole of a station, has a self-serve ticket machine.
The least that London Midland could do, if they're going to keep reducing ticket office opening hours, is to ensure that working ticket machines are available at every station, so that people like me can buy their tickets before they get on the train. What would I have had to do if I'd got off at Snow Hill or Moor Street, where you need a valid ticket to get through the barriers?
*As it happens, the ticket office was also closed at Acocks Green. But they do have a self-serve ticket machine, so I paid for a single journey from ACG to SMA, just for my own peace of mind.
You don't need a valid ticket to leave Moor Street.
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
You don't need a valid ticket to leave Moor Street.
That may be true (I don't use Moor Street personally, but I assumed there were barriers there), but my point still stands if you do get off at a station where there are barriers.
I also wonder just how much revenue is lost, from people who knowingly don't buy tickets, knowing they won't be challenged. If I was that way inclined, I'd save a bit of money by catching the train for free every day! (But thankfully I'm not)
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
That may be true (I don't use Moor Street personally, but I assumed there were barriers there), but my point still stands if you do get off at a station where there are barriers.
I also wonder just how much revenue is lost, from people who knowingly don't buy tickets, knowing they won't be challenged. If I was that way inclined, I'd save a bit of money by catching the train for free every day! (But thankfully I'm not)
I know what you mean eg:new street, what would happen, as they wouldn't have a clue where you come from?
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
That may be true (I don't use Moor Street personally, but I assumed there were barriers there), but my point still stands if you do get off at a station where there are barriers.
I also wonder just how much revenue is lost, from people who knowingly don't buy tickets, knowing they won't be challenged. If I was that way inclined, I'd save a bit of money by catching the train for free every day! (But thankfully I'm not)
There are in the main entrance, which are often/occasionally left open anyway. Not in the entrance on side.
Water Orton don't have a ticket office, or ticket machines.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/WTO/details.html
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
You don't need a valid ticket to leave Moor Street.
What do you put in the barriers to get out then?
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2016, 07:10:07 PM
What do you put in the barriers to get out then?
From what I remember there aren't any on the entrance to platform 1 on the side. Haven't been to Moor Street for a while though.
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2016, 07:13:35 PM
From what I remember there aren't any on the entrance to platform 1 on the side. Haven't been to Moor Street for a while though.
Barriers were installed on the entrance to Platform 1 at the same time as the main entrance. I certainly had to use my pass to get on and off there today
When penalty fares were first introduced the idea was that all stations concerned all stations in the penalty fares area should have had a permit to travel machine.
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The rot of course set in when some clown decided to extend it to areas with lots of unstaffed station - I suspect that if every passenger joining at an unstaffed station presented a permit to travel guards diagrams would have had to have four hours train working and four hours to cash up!
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2016, 07:10:07 PM
What do you put in the barriers to get out then?
I've caught the train plenty of times between Spring Road and Moor Street free of charge. Moor Street does have barriers but whenever I've gone there, the barriers are all open.
I used to work at Old Hill and catch train from but not to work. There was a permit to travel machine, permanently broken, ticket office open mornings only and a card only payment machine, I always got on holding £2 coin to pay for travel, paid for 2 tickets in 8 months! Call me what you want, but if there would have been a machine for me to purchase a ticket with cash I would have, but there wasn't
The 720 from Cannock to Birmingham this morning was the worst I've ever been on. A TWO CARRIAGE UNIT AT MORNING PEAK TIME! People were literally pressed against the doors . Absolute joke London midland are. Someone collapsed and the alarm was pressed and the conductor couldn't get down the train as it was too busy. Have LM heard of health and safety? Passengers complain about the shocking service daily. The 8am one from Landywood is late daily so can't be relied on. Awful.
Did anyone in Walsall & Bloxwich go to the consultation the end of last week?
Two car sets every bloody day on the incredibly busy 16.42 from new St. There was a woman doing a survey for London midland on the platform today. Every response was how rubbish the service is. Rammed again today. People right up to the doors. Why can't they bring the sprinters back till its electrified. They had opening windows and an interior nowhere near as cramped and hot as the 170s
Just caught the 1700 acocks green to moor st - delayed by 6 mins due to missing member of train crew. Had to leg it across town as got to moor st at 1715 and wanted to catch the 1722 new st - northfield. I'm currently sat on the train at New St having done pretty well to get here in time - delayed awaiting train crew! I don't know what goes on in london midland management/human resources but it seems that they couldn't run the proverbial! The train I'm on is now ten minutes late with no sign of movement - they're just useless.
Quote from: WMT3000 on October 20, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Just caught the 1700 acocks green to moor st - delayed by 6 mins due to missing member of train crew. Had to leg it across town as got to moor st at 1715 and wanted to catch the 1722 new st - northfield. I'm currently sat on the train at New St having done pretty well to get here in time - delayed awaiting train crew! I don't know what goes on in london midland management/human resources but it seems that they couldn't run the proverbial! The train I'm on is now ten minutes late with no sign of movement - they're just useless.
Was also on the 1722 as far as Bournville, I catch that train most days and to be fair, today was the first time in a while it has been delayed by train crew issues. Usually delayed by Notwork Fail's inability to actually get it into and then out of New Street...
Quote from: Bob on October 20, 2016, 04:52:48 PM
Two car sets every bloody day on the incredibly busy 16.42 from new St. There was a woman doing a survey for London midland on the platform today. Every response was how rubbish the service is. Rammed again today. People right up to the doors. Why can't they bring the sprinters back till its electrified. They had opening windows and an interior nowhere near as cramped and hot as the 170s
Rail leasing is not as simple as that. There are currently no spare DMUs.
So the Chase line is and has been horrendous for years and there's no spare DMUs? Some journeys are unsafe they're so packed. So nowhere in the country there's a couple of spare carriages? There's no old stock that can be put back into service?
Quote from: Bob on October 20, 2016, 09:12:05 PM
So the Chase line is and has been horrendous for years and there's no spare DMUs? Some journeys are unsafe they're so packed. So nowhere in the country there's a couple of spare carriages? There's no old stock that can be put back into service?
No, there's not one single DMU carriage currently off lease.
The next ones that will be available are the converted London tube stock and some class 153 single cars from First Great Western and London Midland is taking both of those as soon as they can.
Well that's a shockingly bad situation to be in and appalling service for passengers! Wonder if the 153s will be for chase line or the LU stock
Quote from: Bob on October 20, 2016, 10:01:29 PM
Well that's a shockingly bad situation to be in and appalling service for passengers! Wonder if the 153s will be for chase line or the LU stock
Nope, 153s replacing 150s going to Northern. LU stock to Coventry - Nuneaton.
I wouldn't expect anything to change until the line is electrified
Same shit service for another two years then cos even when it's electrified the trains aren't gonna be ready
Quote from: Bob on October 20, 2016, 10:01:29 PM
Well that's a shockingly bad situation to be in and appalling service for passengers! Wonder if the 153s will be for chase line or the LU stock
How is it such a bad situation? Most demand now is for EMUs - but with so many electrification schemes running behind it's going to be a while before any DMUs are released.
The next DMUs are, as Tony says, 153s from Northern...which are going to LM to replace 150s which are going to Northern. Then 150s from GWR...which are going to Northern.
LM can only do so much with the resources available - complain about it if it's so important to you, and see if they will change the rolling stock planning.
Quote from: Bob on October 20, 2016, 10:01:29 PM
Well that's a shockingly bad situation to be in and appalling service for passengers! Wonder if the 153s will be for chase line or the LU stock
That's railway privitisation for you, if it were easier, London Midland may have gone out and brought more carriages.
If the train service is that bad on the Chase Line, why aint the bus companies taking advantage?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 21, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
That's railway privitisation for you, if it were easier, London Midland may have gone out and brought more carriages.
Oh of course, Nationalised British Rail, where the Chairman had to go to the government everytime he wanted to buy rolling stock. They would then take two years to decide, then only authorise about 2/3 of the stock requested, to be built by BR themselves taking another two years.
Much better system before privatisation. More stock is currently being built or on order than at anytime under Nationalsation, just even that isn't enough to cope with growth at the moment. Something BR never had to deal with.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2016, 09:34:45 PM
Oh of course, Nationalised British Rail, where the Chairman had to go to the government everytime he wanted to buy rolling stock. They would then take two years to decide, then only authorise about 2/3 of the stock requested, to be built by BR themselves taking another two years.
Much better system before privatisation. More stock is currently being built or on order than at anytime under Nationalsation, just even that isn't enough to cope with growth at the moment. Something BR never had to deal with.
Yes
@Tony , but with there franchise due to run out next year, why would London Midland ask for any more stock. The franchises being allocated are for to short a time, look at Chiltern Trains, 20 years franchise and so you have seen investment.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 21, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Yes @Tony , but with there franchise due to run out next year, why would London Midland ask for any more stock. The franchises being allocated are for to short a time, look at Chiltern Trains, 20 years franchise and so you have seen investment.
Abellio Anglia only got 7-10 years, but have agreed to replace every single carriage on the franchise.
I don't think growth on many lines is commensurate with good service. The Chase line is only busy cos there's no alternative. There's no bus service and the M6 is a car park. I don't think people get crammed like cattle on disgustingly inadequate trains cos they want to or like them.....
And as for stock, the massively popular chase line is getting 20 year old electric trains next year......investment indeed
London Midland's "shortage of train crew" wheeled out yet again
20:34 from Liverpool to New Street cancelled
21:34 from Liverpool to New Street only going as far as Crewe
22:04 from Liverpool to Crewe cancelled
Somehow my dad has to come home today and he's gonna be livid when it turns out to be a rail replacement taxi
Again...
Pathetic.
Quote from: Kevin on October 22, 2016, 08:52:46 PM
London Midland's "shortage of train crew" wheeled out yet again
20:34 from Liverpool to New Street cancelled
21:34 from Liverpool to New Street only going as far as Crewe
22:04 from Liverpool to Crewe cancelled
Somehow my dad has to come home today and he's gonna be livid when it turns out to be a rail replacement taxi
Again...
Pathetic.
Tell him to get a Virgin Liverpool Stafford, Cross country home from Stafford
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
Tell him to get a Virgin Liverpool Stafford, Cross country home from Stafford
20:48 Virgin service is his usual fall back in the week for when London Midland pull the inevitable, either to Stafford or Lichfield and then Cross city, alas it doesn't run on Saturday
Rather amazingly Virgin seemed to have held the 18.52 Edinburgh-Birmingham at Crewe for the 21.48 Lime Street!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 21, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Yes @Tony , but with there franchise due to run out next year, why would London Midland ask for any more stock. The franchises being allocated are for to short a time, look at Chiltern Trains, 20 years franchise and so you have seen investment.
Also depends on the franchise spec though. TransPennine was an 8 year franchise and 125mph capable stock, winning bidder had a lot of brand new stock in their bid, Abellio East Anglia specified new stock but the winning bid replaces every single carriage with new stock - wasn't LM let as a no growth franchise too?
according to the stakeholded conference it is no longer the intention to omit Coventry Arena stops on match days. I believe the Saturday service is now regularly 2 x 153 - anyone seen extra cars on other days?
2 carriage train on 16.42 to Rugeley again. People squashed up the doors. Who the f##k decided to have so little diesel stock that passengers would be treated like this. Again if someone was to collapse etc it would be a health and safety issues. Bloody appalling service
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
2 carriage train on 16.42 to Rugeley again. People squashed up the doors. Who the f##k decided to have so little diesel stock that passengers would be treated like this. Again if someone was to collapse etc it would be a health and safety issues. Bloody appalling service
It's booked for a 2-car, so no surprise there then. Perhaps look right back to BR days when they replaced every 3 car 1960s DMU with a two car sprinter, and then split the two car 155s into single car 153s.
The 170s that currently work the line were then ordered by National Express group, above there franchise commitment to provide extra capacity. NEG were one of the original franchise holders to do this along with M40 Trains (Chiltern)
So imagine if it was still BR, chances are it would be even worse.
There were still old DMUS running at privatisation. It wouldn't be worse. Those old DMU were more comfortable with far less cramped interiors than a 170. Even the sprinters were more spacious. A packed 170 is not pleasant especially with no air con on like today. And a two car booked for that trip Is a joke. Even more a joke when they repeatedly do it on the 7.20am one into brum like last Tuesday when the passenger collapsed the emergency button pressed and the conductor couldn't even get to her. Bloody joke
And considering the electric trains when they eventually come are to be well over 20 years old I'd say not much has improved since BR In fact they're BR stock! A few retrimmed seats don't pass off as modern!
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
There were still old DMUS running at privatisation. It wouldn't be worse. Those old DMU were more comfortable with far less cramped interiors than a 170. Even the sprinters were more spacious. A packed 170 is not pleasant especially with no air con on like today. And a two car booked for that trip Is a joke. Even more a joke when they repeatedly do it on the 7.20am one into brum like last Tuesday when the passenger collapsed the emergency button pressed and the conductor couldn't even get to her. Bloody joke
Take the rose tinted glasses off Bob.
There were no old DMUs still running around the Midlands at privatisastion, only a few 1950s class 101 around Manchester, and if you actually try and sit on them you will find your knees wedged against the seat in front with 3+2 seats sou you had to move two other people just to get off at times.
Class 150s had similar awful arrangements, and because they are shorter than a 170 less seats.
I remember when the Hednesford line opened Tony in 1989 the trains were never overcrowded like now. We had a better bus service then and the M6 wasn't as bad. We no longer have a bus and haven't for years and the M6 is now like a car park every day. So the train usage has increased massively, I wouldn't call it a success. People don't use this rubbish service in droves cos they love standing on dangerously overcrowded hopelessly inadequate trains, they do it cos they've no other choice. The train service hasn't responded to the extra demand. Can you tell me what choice etc privatisation has given chase line users? None. And never will. Private monopolies are bad ( see arriva in cannock ) so it may as well be in public ownership.
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2016, 06:52:08 PM
I remember when the Hednesford line opened Tony in 1989 the trains were never overcrowded like now. We had a better bus service then and the M6 wasn't as bad. We no longer have a bus and haven't for years and the M6 is now like a car park every day. So the train usage has increased massively, I wouldn't call it a success. People don't use this rubbish service in droves cos they love standing on dangerously overcrowded hopelessly inadequate trains, they do it cos they've no other choice. The train service hasn't responded to the extra demand. Can you tell me what choice etc privatisation has given chase line users? None. And never will. Private monopolies are bad ( see arriva in cannock ) so it may as well be in public ownership.
BR ran an hourly service only between Hednesford Walsall using a Motor+Trailer 2 car DMU for the first few years which regularly failed or missed the connection at Walsall leaving you with nearly an hour connection. No wonder it wasn't full. It did fill when BR starting using the two car 150s and running peak only trains through to Birmingham. There is currently far more capacity provided than BR ever did.
London Midland are far from perfect and do make some strange decisions as well as have staff problems, but no-one will ever convince me that my journies on that line from 1992 until 1997 were better than either Central Trains 1997-2006 or LM 2007-date
Well I don't think standing pushed to the doors on a peak time two car 170 is an acceptable or safe standard. Again if the line is so busy there should be enough rolling stock but there isn't so somethings tits up somewhere. But why run bloody 3 or 4 carriage electric trains to Walsall that are half empty??? & a two car diesel on the far far busier service? Run one of the walsall as an express to free up capacity?
There's far more capacity cos there's no other bloody way into brum! Not cos it's a good service!
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
Well I don't think standing pushed to the doors on a peak time two car 170 is an acceptable or safe standard. Again if the line is so busy there should be enough rolling stock but there isn't so somethings tits up somewhere. But why run bloody 3 or 4 carriage electric trains to Walsall that are half empty??? & a two car diesel on the far far busier service? Run one of the walsall as an express to free up capacity?
Because there are no 2-car overhead electric units in existence, and for another 14 months it would be difficult to run the 3 & 4 car electrics past Walsall
Run a 4 car electric to Walsall as an express to take the pressure off the Chase line trip a couple of minutes before or after. Maybe elderly people might get a seat then. It's disgusting Tony.
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2016, 07:45:40 PM
Run a 4 car electric to Walsall as an express to take the pressure off the Chase line trip a couple of minutes before or after. Maybe elderly people might get a seat then. It's disgusting Tony.
Yes, paths are available for extra trains? units are available in the peak to do that?
Of course, no problem
Bob, the thing is its not just on your Chase Line; while I'm sat on the 900/957 buses into work in the morning, I see 5 car trains alongside Small Heath Highway pulling into Small Heath station that are absolutely rammed full, and I've had the misfortune to catch one myself the once from Spring Road to Small Heath.
Quote from: Stu on October 26, 2016, 08:29:06 PM
Bob, the thing is its not just on your Chase Line; while I'm sat on the 900/957 buses into work in the morning, I see 5 car trains alongside Small Heath Highway pulling into Small Heath station that are absolutely rammed full, and I've had the misfortune to catch one myself the once from Spring Hill to Small Heath.
And LM aren't even the worst, try catching Trans-Pennine in the peak, or when I was in Huddersfield a couple of weeks ago, a pacer left there that was as bad as any train I've seen
As I see it, the two main problems are worsening traffic congestion driving people onto trains, and there seems to be no incentive for train operators or ROSCOs to order additional carriages or new trains to meet the increased demand.
When there was a consultation about the new LM franchise earlier this year, I suggested that there should be some kind of incentive for the TOC to buy extra carriages or trains if demand (and therefore fares income) increased beyond a set level. Perhaps I should have said it louder!
Bloody Snow Hill Lines playing stupid tonight. The 1953 ex Moor Street to Malvern cancelled, 2018 to Stourbridge looking like it'll be 15 down based on it's back working.
Why can't Chiltern just run some of their Saturday Evening Snow Hill terminators to Stourbridge? At least it'd be more rreliabl on a evening
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 29, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
Bloody Snow Hill Lines playing stupid tonight. The 1953 ex Moor Street to Malvern cancelled, 2018 to Stourbridge looking like it'll be 15 down based on it's back working.
Why can't Chiltern just run some of their Saturday Evening Snow Hill terminators to Stourbridge? At least it'd be more rreliabl on a evening
The 2018 was cancelled at Rowley Regis due to "disorder". It was 19 down at the time. This meant that there were no trains (apart from the non-stop XC diverted services) south of Rowley Regis for 90 minutes.
I know that the Stourbridge Line User Group complained to Chiltern at a public meeting that 3 of their trains terminate at Birmingham on a Saturday evening and then run ecs to Stourbridge Depot. This means that they run into platform 2 at Stourbridge Junction to reverse. SLUG believes that these trains should run in service.
Snow Hill line chaos continued all last night to end of service from my observations: at Moor Street the 2231 to Stratford was 30 minutes late, the 2301 to Leamington was cancelled.
The 2257 to Worcester started at Moor street rather than Dorridge and was 2 carriages rather than 5 and a fight nearly broke out due to the overcrowding :o . Ending up 15 minutes late at Kidderminster
Quote from: Roy on October 30, 2016, 10:04:30 AM
The 2018 was cancelled at Rowley Regis due to "disorder". It was 19 down at the time. This meant that there were no trains (apart from the non-stop XC diverted services) south of Rowley Regis for 90 minutes.
I know that the Stourbridge Line User Group complained to Chiltern at a public meeting that 3 of their trains terminate at Birmingham on a Saturday evening and then run ecs to Stourbridge Depot. This means that they run into platform 2 at Stourbridge Junction to reverse. SLUG believes that these trains should run in service.
Yeah I didn't get to Stourbridge town until 2148, 70 minutes later than planned.
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2016, 08:46:58 PM
And LM aren't even the worst, try catching Trans-Pennine in the peak, or when I was in Huddersfield a couple of weeks ago, a pacer left there that was as bad as any train I've seen
Not just in the peak, on Saturday morning I had a TransPennine which was six carriages instead of three, all six were full & standing.
Seriously, stop complaining or complain to London Midland, ranting on the forum is going to do nothing to getting anything sorted out. It's not helped you're living in a fantasy world like most other commuters who don't realise that pathing and rolling stock are the biggest constraints to putting more carriages on a certain route.
The problems surrounding overcrowding on trains stems back to when certain franchises were let on a zero growth basis-two that spring prominently to mind are Northern and Arriva Trains Wales. I would guess London Midland might have been let on its existing franchise on a basis of minimal growth or zero growth.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 31, 2016, 10:42:47 AM
The problems surrounding overcrowding on trains stems back to when certain franchises were let on a zero growth basis-two that spring prominently to mind are Northern and Arriva Trains Wales. I would guess London Midland might have been let on its existing franchise on a basis of minimal growth or zero growth.
I believe LM was minimal growth, with that growth being focused on main corridors - i.e. the two new batches of 350s, plus the ten TP ones which will be with LM in the next franchise. The 172s replaced a like-for-like number of 150 carriages iirc.
They've been getting hammered in the papers and twitter recent weeks. This week the 8.oo from Landywood was 25 min late Monday, had faulty brakes and finally got to brum 9.15 ish.they sent 2 carriages Wednesday on same journey instead of 4 leading to from Landywood onwards people being left behind. I use it every day. It's nearly always late into and out of brum. Always overcrowded and unpleasant. Standing daily. The 5.42 from brum left after 6pm yesterday. It's a shit shit service. We need express buses into brum. People use the train cos there's no other choice. Terrible service. Turbostars aren't great for the service far far too many tables meaning many less seats, narrow interiors no opening windows, someone collapsed on the two carriage ( inbound) one last sat due to overcrowding. Disgusting
Quote from: Bob on November 26, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
They've been getting hammered in the papers and twitter recent weeks. This week the 8.oo from Landywood was 25 min late Monday, had faulty brakes and finally got to brum 9.15 ish.they sent 2 carriages Wednesday on same journey instead of 4 leading to from Landywood onwards people being left behind. I use it every day. It's nearly always late into and out of brum. Always overcrowded and unpleasant. Standing daily. The 5.42 from brum left after 6pm yesterday. It's a shit shit service. We need express buses into brum. People use the train cos there's no other choice. Terrible service. Turbostars aren't great for the service far far too many tables meaning many less seats, narrow interiors no opening windows, someone collapsed on the two carriage ( inbound) one last sat due to overcrowding. Disgusting
One of the bus companies should be across this.
Compare with the Cannock X51's of a morning.
There's plenty of space on the vehicles, but unless you are in the know, in the Cannock area, no one knows about it!
If anyone fancies venturing out to see something different tonight
5Z20 1840 Tyseley Steam to Dorridge
5Z23 2009 return
5Z26 2048 Tyseley Lms
5Z30 2209 Lms Tyseley
These are the first test runs of the class 230 (EX LT Tube stock)
Chase line service was ABYSMAL this morning. The 753 from Hednesford showed up on board as on time. Then ten minutes before it was due, CANCELLED! To add insult to injury injury, the 8.23 was 15 minutes late and a two car train. From Landywood onwards people were left behind. Last Wednesday the 4 car 7.53 was a TWO CAR leading again to people left behind. This chase line trains are late daily, and lots of faults with trains. I don't remember this level of crap service and breakdowns with Sprinters
So this morning the 6.06 and 6.51 are cancelled. ...and the 7.16 is late....how are people supposed to get to work? ???????? How do they get away with this DAILY?
Looking at the board the 8.23 from Hednesford looks cancelled also
New DMU 230001 ecs working through Solihull to Leaminton Spa at 19.13
Quote from: Bob on November 29, 2016, 07:11:38 AM
So this morning the 6.06 and 6.51 are cancelled. ...and the 7.16 is late....how are people supposed to get to work? ???????? How do they get away with this DAILY?
Neither actually cancelled, both ran just very late, but if you are using this for one of you 'The Railways should be nationalised' reasons have a look at the cause.
Points failure just north of Rugeley Trent Valley station trapping both early trains which had actually got there on time, now who owns and maintains the points? Oh yes - Nationalised Network Rail!
But they're late EVERY DAY Tony. Overcrowded to unsafe levels too. Last Friday the 170 had yet again a fault and was 25 min late out of brum. They're not suitable the seats are too big and not enough of them. Loads of not needed table seats? Say what you like about BR the Chase line is extremely shit now in comparison. Sprinters had more seats as well. It's in no way a good service
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
Neither actually cancelled, both ran just very late, but if you are using this for one of you 'The Railways should be nationalised' reasons have a look at the cause.
Points failure just north of Rugeley Trent Valley station trapping both early trains which had actually got there on time, now who owns and maintains the points? Oh yes - Nationalised Network Rail!
Glad you mentioned that Tony did wonder why there was a 170 stopped on the main line when I passed on the bypass about 655.
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2016, 06:14:25 PM
If anyone fancies venturing out to see something different tonight
These are the first test runs of the class 230 (EX LT Tube stock)
Can it be confirmed that LM are to trial one of these units ?? ;D Also, I guess they can run with Classes 150/170 etc ?? ???
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on November 30, 2016, 12:59:02 PM
Can it be confirmed that LM are to trial one of these units ?? ;D Also, I guess they can run with Classes 150/170 etc ?? ???
There is to be a one year trial on the Coventry to Nuneaton route.
Another example of how crap the Chase line is. I got off early today, great I can get 15.12 I thought. Got on. We sat there till 15.33 with NO EXPLANATION as to what the hell was going on then an announcement that the 15.42 was moved to platform 1a cue horrendous rush for a crappy 2 car set cue yet again dangerous overcrowding. The 15.12 still sat there with the lights off. Absolute joke
Every morning they are late. The 7.24 was late again this morning and got to brum around 8.30. It's rubbish
I think we can say
@Bob that we get the hint that you think the chase line is rubbish. Have you never heard of using the bus or even a private conveyance instead of the incessant moaning causing the thread to block up
Bloody hell!
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 30, 2016, 04:43:35 PM
I think we can say @Bob that we get the hint that you think the chase line is rubbish. Have you never heard of using the bus or even a private conveyance instead of the incessant moaning causing the thread to block up
Bloody hell!
Well said. And the fact that the wires have been down all afternoon at Smethwick have meant all services are screwed. And of course a Nationalised railway would not suffer from the wires coming down, all trains would run to the minute...
The bus doesn't suit my work hours and the M6 is a car park so no. Check out their twitter ...it isn't just me that thinks it. Oh isn't this thread about London Midland?
Quote from: Cheese on November 30, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
Well said. And the fact that the wires have been down all afternoon at Smethwick have meant all services are screwed. And of course a Nationalised railway would not suffer from the wires coming down, all trains would run to the minute...
The Chase line has issues daily......
Is it too much to ask to have a service that A) actually you aren't late for work almost every day for and B) isn't dangerously overcrowded and people can actually manage to board and not get left?
Well then
@Bob if the bus doesn't suit your work hours and the M6 a car park, try getting a job closer to home or go a alternative way.
Oh I forgot that's too simple.
Yea heaven forbid we should have a reliable train service eh? Almost everyone one the platform slates it every day. Seriously it's a piss poor service but hey ho......
Have you ever thought about moving to somewhere else then instead? You may even get a decent bus service to get you to work!!
Why should I have to though? Seriously? I enjoy my job a lot no work with a great team. It's not much fun having to constantly ring your boss. 7am on Monday I left house. Didn't get to brum till 9.40. That isn't good in all fairness. They need to do something. The MP ( as much of an idiot she is as LM don't allocate carriages do they isn't it govt that says who gets what?) Is all over it. Been on midlands today last week about how awful it is
Because it'll stop your incessant moaning. People like you are the reason the forum is losing members
Christ I hope you don't work in customer service lol
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2016, 07:22:30 PM
Christ I hope you don't work in customer service lol
Local Government thanks :-) I'm just a mere admin assistant who picks up the telephone and hears people complain about nice little window adornments that are yellow
I get people who don't work ringing up whinging about their taxpayer funded house lol. Vile
Just go down the hard shoulder on the M6. I do that usually to skip through the traffic. Obviously sometimes the hard shoulder is open as a lane too which doesn't help.
On your car, put a fake name and change the address for the registered keeper and fly through the cameras with your middle finger held high.
Quote from: MW on November 30, 2016, 08:05:41 PM
Just go down the hard shoulder on the M6. I do that usually to skip through the traffic. Obviously sometimes the hard shoulder is open as a lane too which doesn't help.
On your car, put a fake name and change the address for the registered keeper and fly through the cameras with your middle finger held high.
Nx employed a good one there
@MW let me guess, it's all because you believe in that Freeman on the land bullocks
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 30, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
@MW let me guess, it's all because you believe in that Freeman on the land bullocks
If you can make the system, you can break the system.
F*** the establishment and f*** being scared of cameras
And add parking wardens to that list too
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2016, 08:14:50 PM
Nx employed a good one there
Yeah, f*** the "bonding agreement" aswell. Lol they tried to make me pay them for the training. Haha
Quote from: MW on November 30, 2016, 11:49:40 PM
If you can make the system, you can break the system.
F*** the establishment and f*** being scared of cameras
And add parking wardens to that list too
Quote from: MW on November 30, 2016, 11:52:17 PM
Yeah, f*** the "bonding agreement" aswell. Lol they tried to make me pay them for the training. Haha
You realise that saying your FMOTL shite to a copper or a magistrate will only give you a one way ticket to porridge if you break the laws, which despite the absolute trash that you will no doubt spell out in your next post, is completely legal and enforceable if compliance with said law is failed to be adhered to.
Unfortunately, although the statement you will make will be clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you therefore apply to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicate and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 01, 2016, 12:03:58 AM
You realise that saying your FMOTL shite to a copper or a magistrate will only give you a one way ticket to porridge if you break the laws, which despite the absolute trash that you will no doubt spell out in your next post, is completely legal and enforceable if compliance with said law is failed to be adhered to.
Unfortunately, although the statement you will make will be clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you therefore apply to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicate and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
Put your theasaurus away first,
lol we're never going to agree so there's no point in having this conversation.
In before Bob.....
Trains crap again today
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
Seriously? I enjoy my job a lot no work with a great team.
No wonder he enjoys his job: 'no work with a great team,' where do I apply?
Should read and...
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/vivarail-trial-start-date-delayed-from-october-to-february
I was thinking the other day, given the terrible daily overcrowding issues, wasn't it a stupid idea to massively lower the seating capacity by replacing Sprinters with turbostars? The sprinters would make the journey far more bearable and even allow some fresh air into the carriage. People have collapsed on overcrowded trips I've been on on the way to work.
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
I was thinking the other day, given the terrible daily overcrowding issues, wasn't it a stupid idea to massively lower the seating capacity by replacing Sprinters with turbostars? The sprinters would make the journey far more bearable and even allow some fresh air into the carriage. People have collapsed on overcrowded trips I've been on on the way to work.
Have you actually checked the capacity of a class 150 sprinter against a class 170 turbostar before making that statement?
Well let's look at a two car. Sprinters had 3 +2 seating, no tables and didn't have a massive toilet.
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 03:08:23 PM
Well let's look at a two car. Sprinters had 3 +2 seating, no tables and didn't have a massive toilet.
But if you were to have 150s on there now, you'd have to have a massive toilet anyway.
150s are 20m carriages where as 170s are 23m carriages also, and 170s are also designed for comfort and longer distance routes hence the tables.
Yes but tables are absolutely not needed. And massively reduce the seating capacity. And comfort? You must be joking, they're hot sticky and obviously have a shit load more standees due to the lack of seating. So no, they aren't comfortable. At all. I'd rather sit on a less luxurious seat than standard in a crammed carriage
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
Yes but tables are absolutely not needed. And massively reduce the seating capacity. And comfort? You must be joking, they're hot sticky and obviously have a shit load more standees due to the lack of seating. So no, they aren't comfortable. At all. I'd rather sit on a less luxurious seat than standard in a crammed carriage
But you wouldn't would you, as Sprinters do not have any more seats, and also have a lot less standing room because of the 3+2 seating, so you'd still be standing in a smaller space!
150s are 19.74m long (each carriage)
170s are 23.61m long
hence why a two car 170 can carry more passengers than a 2 car 150
How many seats are in a two car Sprinter. And how many in a two car 170
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 04:50:52 PM
How many seats are in a two car Sprinter. And how many in a two car 170
Approximately 120 in both
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 04:50:52 PM
How many seats are in a two car Sprinter. And how many in a two car 170
150/1 - 148
170/5 - 122
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
Yes but tables are absolutely not needed. And massively reduce the seating capacity. And comfort? You must be joking, they're hot sticky and obviously have a shit load more standees due to the lack of seating. So no, they aren't comfortable. At all. I'd rather sit on a less luxurious seat than standard in a crammed carriage
You are completely missing the point. Interiors of class 170s are designed for longer distance service - hence the "big" seats, and the tables.
So they're not suitable for non long distance services like the Chase line. With more seats Sprinters were better. A three car Sprinter or two 2 car sets would be better than what we get now. Might get the chance of a seat!
Also begs the question if passenger numbers were increasing why the bloody hell decrease seating capacity????
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 05:07:11 PM
Also begs the question if passenger numbers were increasing why the bloody hell decrease seating capacity????
I think you will find now that there are a lot more seats now.
I use the line daily as well Bob, and have done for a lot longer than you (24 years, it was still unreliable heritage DMUs terminating at Walsall then). I know it can be awful, I've had to stand all the way from Hednesford, but the booked allocation for the peak when it was 150s was 1x3 car and 3 x 2 car.
Peak allocation now is 1x2car 170; 2x2car170+153 (which adds another 72 seats); 1 x 4car 170.
The 150s were awful, no-one would use the middle seat on the 3 side, any above average person wouldn't physically fit comfortably, and at only an average 6' tall struggled to get my knees in those seats and always had to head for the very end bays with the facing seats.
BR built the 150s with the same layout as the 170s, but without the tables, and the units still in that layout aren't bad trains at all, but someone at Centro decided wedge those awful seating layouts into the WM ones.
London Midland could be better, their control do make some strange decisions in times of delays, but most of the problems are caused by Network Rail, and I don't think any company, public or private would be able to cope with the Amazon shifts and some of the rubbish who work there refusing to pay, threatening conductors, and physical assaults in a couple of cases
It's an awful service Tony. The capacity now is nowhere near enough. If I were a bus firm I'd be looking at a gap in the market. I have to be at work at 8 this week and should be able to get 6.50 from Hednesford but it's so unreliable look at mon and Tuesday last week I have to get 6.06. No one uses the Chase line because they like it, or because it's good. People have no other realistic option. BTW I don't remember the heritage DMUs being particularly unreliable? We're they 108s or 101
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 06:08:11 PM
It's an awful service Tony. The capacity now is nowhere near enough. If I were a bus firm I'd be looking at a gap in the market. I have to be at work at 8 this week and should be able to get 6.50 from Hednesford but it's so unreliable look at mon and Tuesday last week I have to get 6.06. No one uses the Chase line because they like it, or because it's good. People have no other realistic option. BTW I don't remember the heritage DMUs being particularly unreliable? We're they 108s or 101
They were anything Tyseley threw out, but usually power car + driving trailer, class 114s were another regular, so, underpowered and no contingency, one failure, service stopped, although it did mean loco haulage, with Bescot sending 20s, 25s, 31s or 47s out to the rescue. The 06:50 is my regular service and performance over 2016 has been around 98%; I think I have only not been in work by 8am on it 4 times. It was right time on Monday; Tuesday was the day it was 120 late because of the points failure. It was on time Wednesday until Duddeston when it got caught up in another Network Rail farce, but I avoided that as I was driving to Dundee
On Monday I was on a 930 start. Planned to get 7.53 which came at something stupid like 8.16 and ran RIDICULOUSLY slowly into brum. I got to work at 940
I can honestly tell you Tony hearing every day what passengers think of the Chase line...it's not positive. What you think of miss milling getting in the papers? I think she's doing it to further her own agenda
Quote from: Bob on December 04, 2016, 06:47:57 PM
I can honestly tell you Tony hearing every day what passengers think of the Chase line...it's not positive. What you think of miss milling getting in the papers? I think she's doing it to further her own agenda
She's doing it because people are complaining to her about it. It's what MPs of any party do.
Getting in the papers, and making a fuss to LM won't actually make any difference. With the LM franchise ending in October next year LM will be doing exactly what's required in the current franchise, and no more, and whoever wins the new franchise will just say 'We can increase capacity in December when the wires go live, so for the next 12 months it's just like it or lump it whatever her or anyone else says
Them old heritage DMUS had lovely seats if I remember. Comfy
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2016, 06:59:19 PM
She's doing it because people are complaining to her about it. It's what MPs of any party do.
Getting in the papers, and making a fuss to LM won't actually make any difference. With the LM franchise ending in October next year LM will be doing exactly what's required in the current franchise, and no more, and whoever wins the new franchise will just say 'We can increase capacity in December when the wires go live, so for the next 12 months it's just like it or lump it whatever her or anyone else says
Still her party's fault though!
I'm with Bob over extra buses as well.
Why isn't there a bus service to match the chase line if it's that bad a I know there's a x51 could they not increase
The service
Quote from: Solo1 on December 06, 2016, 08:21:51 AM
Why isn't there a bus service to match the chase line if it's that bad a I know there's a x51 could they not increase
The service
Road traffic congestion is an obstacle to the success of a competing bus service (absent of enforced bus bus priority measures throughout its length).
On good days the train will be superior to any bus service in terms of journey time.
Just a pity that the capacity problem is many months away from a solution.
On bad days both road and rail transport each has the capacity to be rubbish in their own way.
It appears that passengers currently prefer the train despite its problems.
When the most recent incarnation of the X31 ran a few years ago passenger numbers were disappointing commercially (average only about 10 to 20 per journey from memory) and not considered worthy of subsidy by the authorities concerned in view of subsidy being put into the competing railway service.
It looks like the Worcester/Bromsgrove/New Street route has similar problems to The Chase line. :( :(
NO plans are being drawn up to combat "very high levels of demand" at Bromsgrove Station, despite passengers being turned away from a service which arrived already full.
Bromsgrove resident Vivien Earnshaw tried to board the 10.43am London Midland service from Worcester Foregate Street to Birmingham New Street on Monday, December 5.
Mrs Earnshaw was told the two-carriage train was full on arrival and after being forced to carry on her journey via bus, she questioned if recent £100m upgrades are working.
The above quote has appeared in the local press and the BBC Radio H & W website.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on December 06, 2016, 01:10:48 PM
It looks like the Worcester/Bromsgrove/New Street route has similar problems to The Chase line. :( :(
NO plans are being drawn up to combat "very high levels of demand" at Bromsgrove Station, despite passengers being turned away from a service which arrived already full.
Bromsgrove resident Vivien Earnshaw tried to board the 10.43am London Midland service from Worcester Foregate Street to Birmingham New Street on Monday, December 5.
Mrs Earnshaw was told the two-carriage train was full on arrival and after being forced to carry on her journey via bus, she questioned if recent £100m upgrades are working.
Plans are being drawn up.
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/londonmidland/pressreleases/ps100m-railway-upgrade-means-12-day-closure-of-the-line-at-bromsgrove-1585354
Yes, same timescale as the Chase Line, but definitely plans in place
Quote from: Walsall1955 on December 06, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
Road traffic congestion is an obstacle to the success of a competing bus service (absent of enforced bus bus priority measures throughout its length).
On good days the train will be superior to any bus service in terms of journey time.
Just a pity that the capacity problem is many months away from a solution.
On bad days both road and rail transport each has the capacity to be rubbish in their own way.
It appears that passengers currently prefer the train despite its problems.
When the most recent incarnation of the X31 ran a few years ago passenger numbers were disappointing commercially (average only about 10 to 20 per journey from memory) and not considered worthy of subsidy by the authorities concerned in view of subsidy being put into the competing railway service.
That's because whoever designed the X31 at Arriva must have been insane. An hourly route up the most congested pat of motorway in the Midlands? ??? You'd only need something to happen and people would be stuck either end for potentially hours. A well run well publicised say half hourly X51 could have potential. You'd get Cannock to Walsall passengers too
Quote from: Bob on December 06, 2016, 04:31:27 PM
That's because whoever designed the X31 at Arriva must have been insane. An hourly route up the most congested pat of motorway in the Midlands? ??? You'd only need something to happen and people would be stuck either end for potentially hours. A well run well publicised say half hourly X51 could have potential. You'd get Cannock to Walsall passengers too
The X51 journies are timetabled to take approximately 75 minutes, the train 40 minutes, so even if one train doesn't turn up, you still get into Birmingham faster by waiting 30 min for the next.
That is the problem a competing bus service has. Very few people want to spend an extra hour of their day commuting
Did the 951 take that long back in the day? Surely it could be sped up a bit???
Quote from: Bob on December 06, 2016, 05:10:35 PM
Did the 951 take that long back in the day? Surely it could be sped up a bit???
I'm not sure when the 957 stopped running but don't forget that there's been an overall increase in traffic.
Quote from: Bob on December 06, 2016, 05:10:35 PM
Did the 951 take that long back in the day? Surely it could be sped up a bit???
Yes it did, it also had more stops between Walsall and Birmingham, how do you propose speeding it up,
1) drive faster (over the speed limit)
2) fewer stops (don't pick passengers up)
3) jump over any cars and traffic jams
4) use the motorway like the X31 did.
Yes I know a couple of those are being flippant, but don't you think if there was a way of competing one of Arriva, NX, or even a new op for the area like Central Buses would have tried by now?
NX Will run anything that would turn a profit
That's the thing tho 951 used to be really busy and even with the train as competition then at some point it must have just dropped. What went wrong? If nx are interested in profit they'll definitely never want Arriva's cannock op then lol
Just out of interest when did the heritage DMU stop being used? I've a vague memory of one rocking up with an ancient interior even older than a 114. And having massive seats that were really comfy puts today's trains to shame lol
Quote from: Bob on December 06, 2016, 09:50:28 PM
Just out of interest when did the heritage DMU stop being used? I've a vague memory of one rocking up with an ancient interior even older than a 114. And having massive seats that were really comfy puts today's trains to shame lol
All the heritage DMU were roughly the same age 1957-62. The ones with the big seats were the ex Marylebone 115s which were some of the newer ones.
I think it was around 1993 when they disappeared from the Chase line
Quote from: Bob on December 06, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
That's the thing tho 951 used to be really busy and even with the train as competition then at some point it must have just dropped. What went wrong? If nx are interested in profit they'll definitely never want Arriva's cannock op then lol
Sure the reason given at the time they withdrew the majority of the 951's from Cannock was delays caused by construction of the Toll Road?
Nothing was ever mentioned about declining numbers.
(Used to like stepping outside my house & catching ONE bus to Brum.
The only regret I have about the Bridge being pedestrinised in Walsall, that if the through service from Hednesford to Dudley still operated today, I'd only have one bus to catch, not two!)
There was a plan for the remaining class 323's up north to move down to London Midland, is this still happening ?
The cross city line can then be 6 coaches on most journeys which is needed.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 09, 2016, 06:35:22 AM
There was a plan for the remaining class 323's up north to move down to London Midland, is this still happening ?
The cross city line can then be 6 coaches on most journeys which is needed.
We will find out in June when the successful bidder for the new West Midlands franchise is announced.
The leasing company want to move all 323s to the Midlands. However, they will need to be refurbished if they are retained. With interest rates so low, it is possible that the new franchise may decide that it is more cost effective to replace them with new trains. However, the 323s do have the advantage that their acceleration is far superior to modern EMUs, making them ideal for the Cross City line with stations close together.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 09, 2016, 06:35:22 AM
There was a plan for the remaining class 323's up north to move down to London Midland, is this still happening ?
The cross city line can then be 6 coaches on most journeys which is needed.
Yes it is happening, for Chase Line electrification. This will happen in 2018, when Northern's class 331s are delivered to enable these to remove the 323s from the Manchester local services that the 323s currently work.
Sit tight. It's not long now.
Posts on Stourbridge Line User Group FB pages shows 1953 and 2052 to Worcester both cancelled, leaving a 2 1/2 hour gap for services past Stourbridge on the Snow Hill line, pretty appalling especially at this time of year with all the extra travellers. >:(
Quote from: D10 on December 10, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
Posts on Stourbridge Line User Group FB pages shows 1953 and 2052 to Worcester both cancelled, leaving a 2 1/2 hour gap for services past Stourbridge on the Snow Hill line, pretty appalling especially at this time of year with all the extra travellers. >:(
The 2156 service from Snow Hill has just left 14 minutes late. This means a gap of 2 hours 41 minutes between services south of Stourbridge Junction, with no buses south of Stourbridge either. Given that the previous through service at 1929 was only a 2-car unit, this is not pretty appalling - it's an absolute disgrace.
At least TfWM know about the problems as it was a senior TfWM manager who posted the information on the Stourbridge Line User Group facebook page. Hopefully, London Midland senior management will be invited to Summer Lane on Monday.
On Fridays the 2300 service to Worcester is extended to Ashchurch Cheltenham and Gloucester. Why is this as these stations are not served by London Midland at any other time.
It's a parly service is the simple answer similar to having to serve Polesworth.
On Saturday night too many people turned up to catch the 2318 to Hednesford they physically couldn't fit on the train, not often that happens. LM did actually solve the problem, so fair play for that, but bit did mean it did mean a 37 late departure while they waited for a another 170 to come in which they could couple up to make coaches.
A couple of Saturdays ago people got left behind as they sent a two car set. People were apparently kicking off. Ridiculous
Quote from: Bob on December 13, 2016, 07:15:24 AM
A couple of Saturdays ago people got left behind as they sent a two car set. People were apparently kicking off. Ridiculous
Talking to the LM diagramming people they would love to diagram more than a 2-car, but Nationalised Network Rail won't let them. When the train gets to Hednesford it runs empty stock to Wolverhampton Station and stables overnight in the bay platform there. The crew is also Wolverhampton based. Network Rail say there isn't anywhere at Wolverhampton to stable a longer train. This Saturday when it was 4 it had to run up to Wolverhampton carriage sidings which actually exceeded the drivers hours.
Quote from: x68 on December 12, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
On Fridays the 2300 service to Worcester is extended to Ashchurch Cheltenham and Gloucester. Why is this as these stations are not served by London Midland at any other time.
The Invitation to Tender for the new West Midlands Franchise gives bad news and potential good news on services between Worcester and Gloucester.
The bad news reads as follows "We will not be specifying the continuation of the current single weekly late evening Friday only West Midlands Franchise service between Worcester and Gloucester due to low usage. All other services on this line are currently provided by Great Western Railway (GWR)."
The potential good news reads "Bidders are also able to propose service improvements above those set out in the TSR, and we will give them credit for schemes that go above and beyond those specified if they are demonstrated to be deliverable and offer value for money. We will be asking for a specific focus on proposals for delivery of the following schemes which are difficult to deliver due to the availability of trains, station capacity, engineering requirements and space on the lines for a regular service to operate - Improved connectivity between Gloucester and Worcester to enhance the frequency on the line when provided alongside the Great Western Railway service". I know that the Stourbridge Line User Group would like to see that achieved by extending some Stourbridge line trains to Gloucester to give passengers in Stourbridge, Kidderminster and Droitwich a single connection to Bristol and the South West without having to travel via Birmingham.
Quote from: Bob on December 13, 2016, 07:15:24 AM
A couple of Saturdays ago people got left behind as they sent a two car set. People were apparently kicking off. Ridiculous
LM have pre-warned that trains will be extra busy in the run up to Christmas. A couple of Saturday ago, I couldn't board the 23:08 to Shrewsbury at New Street, the train got full very quickly
What use is pre warning if the trains they use are hopelessly inadequate
Quote from: x68 on December 12, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
On Fridays the 2300 service to Worcester is extended to Ashchurch Cheltenham and Gloucester. Why is this as these stations are not served by London Midland at any other time.
For one, or maybe two timetable periods, an LM unit shuttled between Worcester and Cheltenham during the day - the 23.00 is not a "parliamentary" because GWR provide a two-hourly service between Great Malvern and Bristol or beyond. Common sense would be extend the trains in the opposite hours which start at Gloucester.
Quote from: Bob on December 13, 2016, 08:04:17 PM
What use is pre warning if the trains they use are hopelessly inadequate
The problem is, is that London Midland do not have an infinite number of units, if they take a unit from one service to strengthen another, that may well lead to another service being overcrowded.
Ridiculous situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cEo7ZeAlLc&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Bob on December 14, 2016, 08:08:07 AM
Ridiculous situation
How is it? It's not a problem that London Midland have caused themselves, and it's not a problem that just LM suffer. It's well known that there's a nationwide stock shortage.
If you think LM is bad then try TransPennine in the peaks, then maybe you'll realise that you've not got it anywhere near as bad as you think you have.
Seriously. Just quit your complaining for once in a while.
Quote from: T840MAK on December 16, 2016, 03:33:15 PM
How is it? It's not a problem that London Midland have caused themselves, and it's not a problem that just LM suffer. It's well known that there's a nationwide stock shortage.
If you think LM is bad then try TransPennine in the peaks, then maybe you'll realise that you've not got it anywhere near as bad as you think you have.
Seriously. Just quit your complaining for once in a while.
I meant it's a ridiculous situation to be at a point when there's no bloody spare stock. And no thanks I wont
Forgive my ignorance if I don't know all the facts here (and please do correct me if I'm wrong), but is the problem with the way that train services are supposedly privatised?
My understanding is that it is actually our government that buys the trains, and then leases them to the operators?
With bus operators, if for example NX needs more buses, they go out and buy them, with the profits they've made from running the services privately.
With the huge profits that the TOCs are raking in, should they not invest these profits into purchasing more rolling stock, if they are needed?
Its also worth pointing out that while London Midland are the subject of much discontent here in the Midlands, there is nowhere near the same level of press coverage as given to Southern Rail, who are also owned by Govia.
Its no wonder people are so pissed off with train companies and their excuses for running such poor services, while raking in excessive profits from exhorbitant fares, and not investing those profits back into the services they operate.
Quote from: Stu on December 16, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
Forgive my ignorance if I don't know all the facts here (and please do correct me if I'm wrong), but is the problem with the way that train services are supposedly privatised?
My understanding is that it is actually our government that buys the trains, and then leases them to the operators?
With bus operators, if for example NX needs more buses, they go out and buy them, with the profits they've made from running the services privately.
With the huge profits that the TOCs are raking in, should they not invest these profits into purchasing more rolling stock, if they are needed?
Its also worth pointing out that while London Midland are the subject of much discontent here in the Midlands, there is nowhere near the same level of press coverage as given to Southern Rail, who are also owned by Govia.
Its no wonder people are so pissed off with train companies and their excuses for running such poor services, while raking in excessive profits from exhorbitant fares, and not investing those profits back into the services they operate.
But they are not making the profit on Southern. It is odd in the fact it is in in the same way as London Buses where the Government takes all fare revenue and pays Southern a fixed fee.
The Government doesn't buy the stock, private leasing companies do that, although the Government does give these companies a guarantee that the stock will be used for a certain length of time after the initial franchise has ended so that leasing costs are lower due to be spread over a longer time.
The current rolling stock will be sorted soon as there is more stock currently on order than ever before. It just normally takes two years for any new stock to get into service after being ordered.
There are currently large rolling stock orders in for the following companies
Scotrail
Virgin East Coast
Anglia (entire stock being replaced)
Northern
Trans-Pennine
First Great Western
South West Trains
Hull Trains
C2C
I would be very surprised if the new Franchise for London Midland doesn't include new stock as well as cascades with how cheap money is at the moment
Assuming they win it?
Quote from: Stu on December 16, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
Forgive my ignorance if I don't know all the facts here (and please do correct me if I'm wrong), but is the problem with the way that train services are supposedly privatised?
My understanding is that it is actually our government that buys the trains, and then leases them to the operators?
With bus operators, if for example NX needs more buses, they go out and buy them, with the profits they've made from running the services privately.
With the huge profits that the TOCs are raking in, should they not invest these profits into purchasing more rolling stock, if they are needed?
Its also worth pointing out that while London Midland are the subject of much discontent here in the Midlands, there is nowhere near the same level of press coverage as given to Southern Rail, who are also owned by Govia.
Its no wonder people are so pissed off with train companies and their excuses for running such poor services, while raking in excessive profits from exhorbitant fares, and not investing those profits back into the services they operate.
Your understanding is spot on. Using TransPennine as an example again, First and Keolis wanted 60x 5-car units (300 carriages). The DfT said no - TPE ended up with half that - 51x 3 car units, with options to extend. TPE lobbied for these for years - DfT said no, and now look at the situation. Services that are constantly F&S with no spare stock to remedy, and this is only just been started to be solved.
Last night after attending the Blues game went to Bordesley station for the 19:51 a quick check on my phone discovered it was cancelled between dorridge & moor street.A walk to moor street later the platform is packed train arrives 15 minutes late on arriving at snow hill the train is severely overcrowded, we then arrived at the hawthorns after the Albion had played we were there 20 minutes trying to squeeze more on. This is not a criticism of London midland but there was a Chiltern train waiting at snow hill to follow us to Stourbridge, in the not to distant past it would have been used to clear the crowds, progress?
Quote from: midlandred2003 on December 18, 2016, 10:58:09 AM
Last night after attending the Blues game went to Bordesley station for the 19:51 a quick check on my phone discovered it was cancelled between dorridge & moor street.A walk to moor street later the platform is packed train arrives 15 minutes late on arriving at snow hill the train is severely overcrowded, we then arrived at the hawthorns after the Albion had played we were there 20 minutes trying to squeeze more on. This is not a criticism of London midland but there was a Chiltern train waiting at snow hill to follow us to Stourbridge, in the not to distant past it would have been used to clear the crowds, progress?
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Have contacted Chiltern several times regarding services from London Marylebone to Birmingham on Saturdays' which then travel ECS to Stourbridge. They said they have no plans to turn them into passengers services in one reply and in the other reply they said there was no available path. Strange there is a path for the ECS???
Just to throw an alternative viewpoint out there on that one, not a genuine opinion
Do football fans expect current services to cope with their extra footfall? Would they expect services to be empty so they can all get on board?
Could they not organise chartering a train or hiring buses?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 18, 2016, 12:54:46 PM
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Have contacted Chiltern several times regarding services from London Marylebone to Birmingham on Saturdays' which then travel ECS to Stourbridge. They said they have no plans to turn them into passengers services in one reply and in the other reply they said there was no available path. Strange there is a path for the ECS???
It is possible they would argue that a terminating passenger train has to be checked for oversleepers/bashers trying to get the sidings in the book
I would expect that every one travelling into Birmingham for xmas shopping and the German market would anticipate being able to get home as well as footie fans,incidentally an extra train was put on from the hawthorns to Kidderminster but that didn't help the several hundred in Birmingham.
I go to a lot of Walsall, wolves, blues, West brom matches as part of my line of work, I have to say travelling back on the train is quite horrid at times, I mean if a decent away following goes to Bescot and, similar to how burton did last season, get the train back to Birmingham it is dangerously over crowded, and thats even when the service is practically empty from Walsall. West brom is a difficult one as well, whilst I mainly use the metro, which still get very busy the trains do seem quite bad. Wolves I've never had an overly busy train coming from molinuex if I'm honest.
On a slightly different note. I've heard London Midland or whoever's in charge when this happens. Something about splitting the Wolves-Walsall in two. Euston to Crewe no longer serving Stoke on Trent to be replaced by a Birmingham to Crewe service. Sorry if this is common knowledge already, all I can see in the previous few pages are the words "ridiculous situation" and "overcrowded".
Must admit havent used local trains for ages.
Last time I used a train, was down to the Burnham area for May Bank Holiday week & before that, Scouse land for a few days.
After all these stories, why aint the bus companies taking advantage?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 18, 2016, 04:57:28 PM
On a slightly different note. I've heard London Midland or whoever's in charge when this happens. Something about splitting the Wolves-Walsall in two. Euston to Crewe no longer serving Stoke on Trent to be replaced by a Birmingham to Crewe service. Sorry if this is common knowledge already, all I can see in the previous few pages are the words "ridiculous situation" and "overcrowded".
This is part of the ITT (Invitation to Tender) of the new franchise - i.e. franchise requirements that the winning bidder needs to implement.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 18, 2016, 12:54:46 PM
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Have contacted Chiltern several times regarding services from London Marylebone to Birmingham on Saturdays' which then travel ECS to Stourbridge. They said they have no plans to turn them into passengers services in one reply and in the other reply they said there was no available path. Strange there is a path for the ECS???
Chances are that the path is there from Birmingham to Stourbridge, but if it sits at Stourbridge any longer than it currently does to unload rather than just reverse, it may not be able to get a path to return to the sidings, or indeed block a LM service, or of course remove the required headway between trains, as a stopping train requires a greater headway than an express. The alternative would be to run it non-stop from Birmingham to Stourbridge in service as current, but then there's not much point in it being a service, as it's only catering for demand to one station.
Railway pathing is a queer thing sometimes.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 18, 2016, 04:57:28 PM
On a slightly different note. I've heard London Midland or whoever's in charge when this happens. Something about splitting the Wolves-Walsall in two. Euston to Crewe no longer serving Stoke on Trent to be replaced by a Birmingham to Crewe service. Sorry if this is common knowledge already, all I can see in the previous few pages are the words "ridiculous situation" and "overcrowded".
Yes, in the new franchise the Euston to Crewe services will run direct from Stafford and there is a new service from Birmingham to Crewe via Stone, Stoke, Kidsgrove etc. Not sure what the Birmingham to Wolves stopping patterns will be going forwards on all services I.e Shrewsbury, Liverpool, Crewe, stoppers.
I'm flying to America soon and my flight back is to land at Birmingham Airport for midnight, what is the last train to depart Birmingham International, what time does it get for New Street and what time is the last train to Wolverhampton from New Street.
Is the Bhm to Shrewsbury service always quiet???
Them 170s are amazing,
@Bob stop moaning.
Quote from: BusFan94 on December 22, 2016, 12:48:13 PM
I'm flying to America soon and my flight back is to land at Birmingham Airport for midnight, what is the last train to depart Birmingham International, what time does it get for New Street and what time is the last train to Wolverhampton from New Street.
Before your plane lands.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 22, 2016, 02:12:57 PM
Is the Bhm to Shrewsbury service always quiet???
Them 170s are amazing, @Bob stop moaning.
Brum Shrewsbury is very rarely quiet.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 22, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
Before your plane lands.
Theres a 01:30 Virgin Trains service to Wolverhampton.
https://ticket.londonmidland.com/journeys/BHI/WVH/2016-12-23T00:30//0/1/
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
Theres a 01:30 Virgin Trains service to Wolverhampton.
https://ticket.londonmidland.com/journeys/BHI/WVH/2016-12-23T00:30//0/1/
I thought they'd took that journey out.
Quote from: BusFan94 on December 22, 2016, 12:48:13 PM
I'm flying to America soon and my flight back is to land at Birmingham Airport for midnight, what is the last train to depart Birmingham International, what time does it get for New Street and what time is the last train to Wolverhampton from New Street.
Depends what day you are travelling, weekdays there is a 00:21 or a 01:24 from Birmingham International direct to Wolverhampton, Saturdays its 00:21 or 01:29. Always worth checking though as at that time of the day there could always be engineering work going on. If you are arriving on a Sunday morning, you may have to look for alternative transport.
What's amazing about 170?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 22, 2016, 02:27:31 PM
Brum Shrewsbury is very rarely quiet.
Oh right I caught it and it was empty only between Sandwell and Dudley and wolves
I tell you what you can have 172 and well have 170 on Cradley line
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 22, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
Oh right I caught it and it was empty only between Sandwell and Dudley and wolves
I tell you what you can have 172 and well have 170 on Cradley line
So you want to swap the relatively new 172s for 1999 built 170s?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 22, 2016, 03:24:52 PM
So you want to swap the relatively new 172s for 1999 built 170s?
Yep I'd do anything hing to stop Bob moaning haha
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 22, 2016, 03:53:46 PM
Yep I'd do anything hing to stop Bob moaning haha
Shall we take any extra carriages that every other TOC "doesn't need" and send them to LM for the Chase Line and make it the top priority for train crews so he stops the moaning? ::)
Quote from: T840MAK on December 22, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
Shall we take any extra carriages that every other TOC "doesn't need" and send them to LM for the Chase Line and make it the top priority for train crews so he stops the moaning? ::)
Don't even think he would be satisfied then, the seats on the 170s are a lot comfier than 172s though
Should never have took the sprinters off. Even on a 2 car far more seats
Quote from: Bob on December 22, 2016, 06:06:32 PM
Should never have took the sprinters off. Even on a 2 car far more seats
I'd rather have a 170. Better acceleration, better top speed, more comfortable...
The ex-LM 150s at Northern are absolutely awful, the seats are too close together even for a relative short arse like me, they're cramped, dirty and look about as old as they are.
Give me a 170 any day.
Take it you'd rather stand on a sweaty boiling packed 170 then? Where you can't even open a window to breathe
Quote from: Bob on December 22, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
Take it you'd rather stand on a sweaty boiling packed 170 then? Where you can't even open a window to breathe
The 170s are good trains, the best post privatisation units for what they were built for.You are using rose tinted glasses thinking twos are better with more seats, just you can't actually get into them.
As for your linking for Nationalisation remember that during the BR era services in the West Midlands were reduced to hourly service to Walsall, hourly to Lichfield/30 min to Four Oaks. Hourly to Kidderminster. 4 trains a day on the cross city south. Stratford Line threatened with complete closure
Second time this week the 800 train from Landywood is cancelled. You know the 4 car busiest one! Late for work . AGAIN! To add insult to injury the 830 one will probably be late as well. Service is a joke
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 07:18:38 AM
Second time this week the 800 train from Landywood is cancelled. You know the 4 car busiest one! Late for work . AGAIN! To add insult to injury the 830 one will probably be late as well. Service is a joke
Strange 0800 train is shown as leaving Landywood at 0812
It didn't run Tony. Check train line. Cancelled due to a train fault according to signs at Hednesford. But according to London Midland it ran express from Trent Valley only stopping at Walsall and omitting Tame Bridge. Cause people at Walsall with their half hourly service ? It ran past us at Hednesford at 8.07. The 8.23 is 15 mins late and a 2 car joke. I'm now going to have to work late and cancel my plans. The 19.22 was cancelled last night also so I had to wait another hour to get home.
Cause people at Walsall need it more with their half hourly service that should read
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 08:45:46 AM
It didn't run Tony. Check train line. Cancelled due to a train fault according to signs at Hednesford. But according to London Midland it ran express from Trent Valley only stopping at Walsall and omitting Tame Bridge. Cause people at Walsall with their half hourly service ? It ran past us at Hednesford at 8.07. The 8.23 is 15 mins late and a 2 car joke. I'm now going to have to work late and cancel my plans. The 19.22 was cancelled last night also so I had to wait another hour to get home.
Yes but that is not a 170s fault, if all trains ran then they wouldn't be so busy
Did I say it was? But what is LUDICROUS is the decision to run private past from Rugeley to Walsall. And past loads of work commuters. Why not pick up at at least Hednesford and Cannock and omit Walsall which already has a service?
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 08:45:46 AM
It didn't run Tony. Check train line. Cancelled due to a train fault according to signs at Hednesford. But according to London Midland it ran express from Trent Valley only stopping at Walsall and omitting Tame Bridge. Cause people at Walsall with their half hourly service ? It ran past us at Hednesford at 8.07. The 8.23 is 15 mins late and a 2 car joke. I'm now going to have to work late and cancel my plans. The 19.22 was cancelled last night also so I had to wait another hour to get home.
In fairness, the train did run, however looking at the reporting pattern, it called only at Rugeley Town, Hednesford, Walsall, Tame Bridge P'way - this can be shown by the lack of departure reports and the time that the service has made up.
Trains run fast all the time, it's to reduce the impact to it's future diagram, get over it. Claim compensation from the TOC if you're so bothered.
You're forever acting like you have the worst train service. You don't.
At least your once a week train (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y65092/2016/12/23/advanced) didn't get cancelled this morning.
It did NOT call at Hednesford. And you should be able to rely on it to get to work. For a 930 start you can't even rely on the 830. Took 4 mins short of an hour to get there today too. That's not including the late departure!
Incidentally it didn't call at Rugeley town or tame bridge either you don't know what your talking about
How many other midlands routes are so crap they get a midlands today report based on them?
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 10:16:39 AM
Did I say it was? But what is LUDICROUS is the decision to run private past from Rugeley to Walsall. And past loads of work commuters. Why not pick up at at least Hednesford and Cannock and omit Walsall which already has a service?
Might some of the passengers want to alight at Walsall?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on December 23, 2016, 07:20:09 PM
Might some of the passengers want to alight at Walsall?
We can take that further, might some passengers want to travel to Bloxwich?
Just a hypothetical situation of course
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 01:14:14 PM
It did NOT call at Hednesford. And you should be able to rely on it to get to work. For a 930 start you can't even rely on the 830. Took 4 mins short of an hour to get there today too. That's not including the late departure!
Yeah, it did. And Tame Bridge Parkway as well. And all trains are scheduled to take 4 minutes short of an hour, its called a timetable...
Service 2K82 07:41 Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham New Street.
Scheduled Actual
Rugeley TV 07:41 07:57
Rugeley Town 07:45 08:00
Hednesford 07:53 08:07
Cannock 07:56 *
Landywood 08:00 *
Bloxwich Nth 08:05 *
Bloxwich 08:07 08:16
Walsall 08:15 08:23
Tame Bridge 08:21 08:28
Birmingham 08:37 08:43
* Station call was omitted
Quote from: Alex on December 23, 2016, 07:36:27 PM
Yeah, it did. And Tame Bridge Parkway as well. And all trains are scheduled to take 4 minutes short of an hour, its called a timetable...
Service 2K82 07:41 Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham New Street.
Scheduled Actual
Rugeley TV 07:41 07:57
Rugeley Town 07:45 08:00
Hednesford 07:53 08:07
Cannock 07:56 *
Landywood 08:00 *
Bloxwich Nth 08:05 *
Bloxwich 08:07 08:16
Walsall 08:15 08:23
Tame Bridge 08:21 08:28
Birmingham 08:37 08:43
* Station call was omitted
According to my LM app, that service called at Walsall and New Street only.. then again, I don't know why I'm involving myself in this ::)
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2016, 01:15:25 PM
Incidentally it didn't call at Rugeley town or tame bridge either you don't know what your talking about
If you read my post properly it said that looking at reporting patterns and time that the train made up. The reason that the train went fast was
to reduce disruption to the unit's later diagram. Crew could have been running close to hours.
It doesn't matter which stations it omits, but a call at just Walsall will still make the train pick up some time lost - by the time you've called all stations to Walsall, there's not much point.
Shut up with your complaining for once in a while. It's getting tiring.
I was at Hednesford and it didn't serve it. And when I'm regularly late for work on a weekly basis cos LM can't get It together to even run on time or at all I won't shut up complaining cheers
At least arriva cannock thread is getting a rest 8)
Quote from: T840MAK on December 24, 2016, 10:41:43 AM
If you read my post properly it said that looking at reporting patterns and time that the train made up. The reason that the train went fast was to reduce disruption to the unit's later diagram. Crew could have been running close to hours.
It doesn't matter which stations it omits, but a call at just Walsall will still make the train pick up some time lost - by the time you've called all stations to Walsall, there's not much point.
Shut up with your complaining for once in a while. It's getting tiring.
I'm with Bob on this one.
It was a stupid decision by LM Control. That is the only four car train of the day and usually carries about 400 people from the stations North of Walsall. To send it with just the dozen or so that catch it at Rugeley Trent Valley and miss the other 400 out when the following train is a two car is stupid. If it needs to be back on time for crew or scheduling reasons the more normal method is to turn it short at Hednesford. Yes it will still miss Rugeley Town (which it missed anyway) and Rugeley Trent Valley, but that would have put it back exactly on time and it would have actually picked up about 300 of the 400 usual passengers. The to Platform 1 at Hednesford was specially lengthened for the very purpose of turning this 4 car service there in times of disruption.
What made it worse was the two car one for the next trip. Although it'd probably cope ok usually
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2016, 03:29:41 PM
I'm with Bob on this one.
It was a stupid decision by LM Control. That is the only four car train of the day and usually carries about 400 people from the stations North of Walsall. To send it with just the dozen or so that catch it at Rugeley Trent Valley and miss the other 400 out when the following train is a two car is stupid. If it needs to be back on time for crew or scheduling reasons the more normal method is to turn it short at Hednesford. Yes it will still miss Rugeley Town (which it missed anyway) and Rugeley Trent Valley, but that would have put it back exactly on time and it would have actually picked up about 300 of the 400 usual passengers. The to Platform 1 at Hednesford was specially lengthened for the very purpose of turning this 4 car service there in times of disruption.
The problem is Tony that the Hednesford plan was fine when nobody caught the train to Rugeley on its outbound trip, but now you'd be booting half the Amazon workforce out at Hednesford and I can promise you that would not be easy! That is probably why they had to run it all the way. Unfortunately they were probably in a catch 22 with this one, as if it didn't make any time up atall getting back to Walsall it may have lost its path completely and not got back to New St atall for it next working. And there is nowhere for it to dwell at Walsall in order to turn it there to go back to Rugeley.
Quote from: andy41 on December 24, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
The problem is Tony that the Hednesford plan was fine when nobody caught the train to Rugeley on its outbound trip, but now you'd be booting half the Amazon workforce out at Hednesford and I can promise you that would not be easy! That is probably why they had to run it all the way. Unfortunately they were probably in a catch 22 with this one, as if it didn't make any time up atall getting back to Walsall it may have lost its path completely and not got back to New St atall for it next working. And there is nowhere for it to dwell at Walsall in order to turn it there to go back to Rugeley.
That one doesn't take many to Rugeley, the shift change is before that one gets there, the next one was running 10 minutes behind to take those that are. It's not normally too difficult to get people off at Hednesford, Once an announcement is made that it's going back to Birmingham and if they stay on they will end up in Cannock at the least they soon leave!
There appears to be someone in LM control taking a liking to stop hopping instead of turning short, the other Saturday they sent my daughters train non-stop to Rugeley Trent Valley, and then Non-stop back again as well, a completely pointless exercise. Now Rugeley Power Station has shut there is no freight on the line either, so hanging around at Hednesford doesn't cause any problems for other services either like it used to
As I've said before, why ain't the bus companies taking advantage of LM issues?
I know the buses will take longer, but it's better than nothing.
(I haven't done a proper count of the Cannock X51's, but there's a fair few normally on journey 2's lower deck, by the time it gets to my stop in Bloxwich. I know one bloke catches from Ashmore Park & changes onto it at Bloxwich!)
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
There appears to be someone in LM control taking a liking to stop hopping instead of turning short, the other Saturday they sent my daughters train non-stop to Rugeley Trent Valley, and then Non-stop back again as well, a completely pointless exercise. Now Rugeley Power Station has shut there is no freight on the line either, so hanging around at Hednesford doesn't cause any problems for other services either like it used to
Or an ill-advised management instruction and controllers taking the line "if that's what they want" rather than "I'm being paid to make such decisions".
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2016, 03:29:41 PM
I'm with Bob on this one.
It was a stupid decision by LM Control. That is the only four car train of the day and usually carries about 400 people from the stations North of Walsall. To send it with just the dozen or so that catch it at Rugeley Trent Valley and miss the other 400 out when the following train is a two car is stupid. If it needs to be back on time for crew or scheduling reasons the more normal method is to turn it short at Hednesford. Yes it will still miss Rugeley Town (which it missed anyway) and Rugeley Trent Valley, but that would have put it back exactly on time and it would have actually picked up about 300 of the 400 usual passengers. The to Platform 1 at Hednesford was specially lengthened for the very purpose of turning this 4 car service there in times of disruption.
It may well have been a stupid decision by LM Control but it's widely known that for control to take some decisions it has to be forced upon by the traincrew. There could also be issues whereby the crossover at Hednesford was out of use for whatever reason, and the original plan of turning the service short wasn't available. There's a whole host of factors that need to be considered before turning a train short.
The question in my mind is why did it not run fast from Birmingham to Rugeley, where it was already 10/15 minutes late, to inconvenience less people than running fast on it's way back - although this brings the issue with the crossing at Hednesford to the forefront of the issue - most likely they planned to turn it there and were told No, we can't.
There's always more than meets the eye in these situations.
These are assumptions from not knowing the track layout at Hednesford - I'm only aware of what it's like at the two Rugeley stations.
The same issue with points presents itself on light rail systems - on Thursday we had two consecutive incidents and this meant that the two emergency crossovers closest to one of the accidents were out of use as they're usually clipped. There were no staff available to respond to this incident, or to unclip the points, as there was a fatality elsewhere on the network which used up all of Supertram's resources.
Quote from: Westy on December 24, 2016, 09:36:34 PM
As I've said before, why ain't the bus companies taking advantage of LM issues?
I know the buses will take longer, but it's better than nothing.
(I haven't done a proper count of the Cannock X51's, but there's a fair few normally on journey 2's lower deck, by the time it gets to my stop in Bloxwich. I know one bloke catches from Ashmore Park & changes onto it at Bloxwich!)
I wish there were. If there were later to and from trips I'd give the train up like a shot
When the line is electrified are they still going to run the walsall to Birmingham stopping services separately and continue the Chase line as semi fast?
Oh well that experiment didn't last long:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-38470783
Quote from: Bob on December 27, 2016, 02:03:52 PM
When the line is electrified are they still going to run the walsall to Birmingham stopping services separately and continue the Chase line as semi fast?
no one knows and will not know until the winners of the new franchise are announced
I'd hope so. Ball ache if it didn't
In my opinion the current Tame Bridge/Walsall fast service should be made all stations when the Electric Chase service comes on stream and spread out to a 15 minute service between Walsall and City, Alternate services being up the Chase Line.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 30, 2016, 08:11:32 PM
In my opinion the current Tame Bridge/Walsall fast service should be made all stations when the Electric Chase service comes on stream and spread out to a 15 minute service between Walsall and City, Alternate services being up the Chase Line.
definitely not.
And why would that be a good idea??????
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 30, 2016, 08:11:32 PM
In my opinion the current Tame Bridge/Walsall fast service should be made all stations when the Electric Chase service comes on stream and spread out to a 15 minute service between Walsall and City, Alternate services being up the Chase Line.
Tbf I think an ideal world would be that
plus a half hourly semi fast service to Stafford
In other words:
Half hourly all stops Walsall
Half hourly all stops Hednesford
Half hourly new street - Tame Bridge - Walsall - Cannock then all stops to Stafford
But of course that's never going to happen
Quote from: Kevin on December 31, 2016, 07:59:08 AM
Tbf I think an ideal world would be that plus a half hourly semi fast service to Stafford
In other words:
Half hourly all stops Walsall
Half hourly all stops Hednesford
Half hourly new street - Tame Bridge - Walsall - Cannock then all stops to Stafford
But of course that's never going to happen
I thought the plan was to eventually run services to Liverpool?
Quote from: Westy on December 31, 2016, 07:14:32 PM
I thought the plan was to eventually run services to Liverpool?
That can't happen until they extend the platforms. The class 350's do not fit on the platforms and do not have selective door opening, so cannot stop at any stations other than Walsall, Hednesford (to Birmingham only) and Rugeley Trent Valley
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
That can't happen until they extend the platforms. The class 350's do not fit on the platforms and do not have selective door opening, so cannot stop at any stations other than Walsall, Hednesford (to Birmingham only) and Rugeley Trent Valley
I'm assuming you mean north of Walsall at least, as there are numerous 350 workings booked on Walsall stopping services.
Quote from: T840MAK on December 31, 2016, 11:45:37 PM
I'm assuming you mean north of Walsall at least, as there are numerous 350 workings booked on Walsall stopping services.
Of course. Bescot Stadium is the borderline one. It can take a 4car 350, but not a 4car 170
Can anyone confirm 230001 went back to Tyseley - wnxx has been amended, suggesting it didn't and there was nothing in RTT.
230 001 went under its own power to Coventry Yard, not Tyseley. It's still there today
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 22, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
Depends what day you are travelling, weekdays there is a 00:21 or a 01:24 from Birmingham International direct to Wolverhampton, Saturdays its 00:21 or 01:29. Always worth checking though as at that time of the day there could always be engineering work going on. If you are arriving on a Sunday morning, you may have to look for alternative transport.
Just found it will be on a Saturday in June from Air Canada flight also does the Airline train run
Quote from: BusFan94 on January 04, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
Just found it will be on a Saturday in June from Air Canada flight also does the Airline train run
Are you referring to the monorail?
What is the difference between a 170/1 to a 170/5, 170/6?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2017, 08:03:48 PM
What is the difference between a 170/1 to a 170/5, 170/6?
170/1 built for Midland Mainline
170/5 2 car built for Central Trains
170/6 3 car built for Central Trains
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2017, 08:12:53 PM
170/1 built for Midland Mainline
170/5 2 car built for Central Trains
170/6 3 car built for Central Trains
Ah Thankyou Tony, why did lm sell some too cross country? Cross country's 170 are also very nice.
What sort are the cramped two car ones on chase line? I have to resort to catching the 4.27 to Walsall then waiting for the cannock train there. Tonight the 505 which was late as per was ridiculous
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
What sort are the cramped two car ones on chase line? I have to resort to catching the 4.27 to Walsall then waiting for the cannock train there. Tonight the 505 which was late as per was ridiculous
You can moan, but cross country only use 4 car voyagers from Edinburgh to Plymouth!!!
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
What sort are the cramped two car ones on chase line? I have to resort to catching the 4.27 to Walsall then waiting for the cannock train there. Tonight the 505 which was late as per was ridiculous
I think you should consider buying a car
Cannock to brum in car at rush hour isn't really viable. Hence the amount of people that use the train
Quote from: Bob on January 05, 2017, 05:27:48 AM
Cannock to brum in car at rush hour isn't really viable. Hence the amount of people that use the train
And yet you expect a bus doing that same route to be viable
Cars didn't have bus priority lanes the last time I looked
The amount that you bitch on here Bob, why don't you pull your finger out and either do something about it or find a new hobby other than moaning?
The words 'deal with it' spring to mind
Was stating a fact. Cars don't use bus lanes. On another topic the old station buildings on the platform at hamstead and Witton what's behind those closed locked doors next to the frosted windows? Store rooms? Loos?
Has the 150 changed diagrams or still operating same?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
Ah Thankyou Tony, why did lm sell some too cross country? Cross country's 170 are also very nice.
LM don't own any, nor do XC, they're all owned by Porterbrook.
Some of LM's transferred to XC when the two franchises were remapped and basically the Cardiff - Notts diagram group went to XC along with its compliment of T*s.
Quote from: Adam 404 on January 04, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
Are you referring to the monorail?
Yes couldn't remeber what it was called
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
What sort are the cramped two car ones on chase line? I have to resort to catching the 4.27 to Walsall then waiting for the cannock train there. Tonight the 505 which was late as per was ridiculous
My buses barely run at all, and when they do they're late, but you don't find me complaining over and over again on here, you find me doing something about it and then finding an alternative method to get me where I need to be so that I'm not late all the time.
According to a report on Midlands Today, London Midland have abandoned the proposed trial of an ex London Underground unit on the Coventry - Nuneaton line.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2017, 06:51:01 PM
According to a report on Midlands Today, London Midland have abandoned the proposed trial of an ex London Underground unit on the Coventry - Nuneaton line.
http://www.nuneaton-news.co.uk/trial-to-boost-rail-services-between-nuneaton-and-coventry-has-derailed/story-30041689-detail/story.html
90% sure I saw 172338 at Tyseley this morning. I know it's due back with LM this month
RMT balloting for strike action over the introduction of security staff
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38688969
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http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2017/01/23/lorry-hits-bridge-sparking-train-chaos-across-the-midlands/
Quote from: Rob2832 on December 16, 2015, 08:38:12 PM
172333 now back out operated 2J16 the 08:00 Leamington Spa - Stourbridge Junction this morning seen it at Olton.
Its damaged driving carriage has been replaced by what I assume is a driving carriage from 172338 as the 8 has been replaced with a non standard number 3.
172338's back in service, it has the toilet driving carriage from 172333
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 02, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
172338's back in service, it has the toilet driving carriage from 172333
I'll keep an eye out for it when I next go to Olton :)
Ballot on industrial action now cancelled after London Midland stopped using security guards on 31st January 2017.
According to the document for the new franchise, there is an option for the new owner to run trains DOO, so there will be another reason for industrial action.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
Ballot on industrial action now cancelled after London Midland stopped using security guards on 31st January 2017.
According to the document for the new franchise, there is an option for the new owner to run trains DOO, so there will be another reason for industrial action.
I think there may be a few disputes ahead of us in the queue! Plus that would mean new trains and I doubt we're high up the priority list for those somehow.
Quote from: andy41 on February 02, 2017, 09:54:11 PM
I think there may be a few disputes ahead of us in the queue! Plus that would mean new trains and I doubt we're high up the priority list for those somehow.
I'm willing to bet that 323's & 350's could be refitted, although i do seem to remember something about 350's being incompatible with DOO gear (could be wrong there).
But yeah, we're gonna be in for a lot of trouble, assuming the franchisee decides to go for DOO, which, if it's Govia, let's hope they learnt a lesson with Southern...
None of the current LM stock is suitable for conversion, that's the official word behind the scenes at the moment, so new stock would almost certainly be required across the board.
Quote from: Alex on February 02, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
I'm willing to bet that 323's & 350's could be refitted, although i do seem to remember something about 350's being incompatible with DOO gear (could be wrong there).
But yeah, we're gonna be in for a lot of trouble, assuming the franchisee decides to go for DOO, which, if it's Govia, let's hope they learnt a lesson with Southern...
Major difference here though
West mins trains are max 6/8 carriages length
One of the issues Southern had / pretended to have (depending who you listen to) was DOO on 12 car services being too much to ask
Quote from: andy41 on February 02, 2017, 11:33:02 PM
None of the current LM stock is suitable for conversion, that's the official word behind the scenes at the moment, so new stock would almost certainly be required across the board.
Just been speaking to a London Midland manager, no plans to do it, but 172s are suitable. In reply to Kevin's comment, although no 12 car trains in the West Midlands, LM runs12 car formations
LM run 12 car 350 formations - I believe the 350s are in the same boat as the TPE 185s, they cannot go DOO, as they are incompatible.
Quote from: T840MAK on February 03, 2017, 08:55:38 AM
LM run 12 car 350 formations - I believe the 350s are in the same boat as the TPE 185s, they cannot go DOO, as they are incompatible.
Well aware LM do 12 cars, ergo I specified West Midlands
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2017, 08:23:30 AM
Just been speaking to a London Midland manager, no plans to do it, but 172s are suitable. In reply to Kevin's comment, although no 12 car trains in the West Midlands, LM runs12 car formations
We've been told that despite the 172's being technically suitable, the reliability and performance issues with them plus the cost of the modifications that would be required for them would make them unviable for that level of investment. I guess it depends on the management you speak to. But there are so many alterations and features not used on the 172's due to issues drivers have had with them I just can't imagine it happening on them. The current dash screens that should be used by drivers for vigilance and messages etc are taped over as drivers were finding glare from them distracting and there isn't much dashspace left for anything else.
http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/vivarail-lays-out-action-plan-as-faulty-repair-work-to-blame-for-train-fire
Just out of interest why do they run the 19.22 to Rugeley as an all stops to Walsall? When there's walsall trains either side? An hour to Hednesford after long day at work ffs?
Quote from: Bob on February 07, 2017, 09:43:54 PM
Just out of interest why do they run the 19.22 to Rugeley as an all stops to Walsall? When there's walsall trains either side? An hour to Hednesford after long day at work ffs?
Just had a quick check on Realtime Trains. Looks to me as if there is a 1857 and 1957 Walsall departure, so I assume that the 1922 runs as an all stops to maintain the thirty minute frequency an hour longer, whilst it may not be required at the other side of Wolverhampton, or may not be required on the return journey from Walsall. The latter then saves on an empty stock path from Walsall, as they can run it from Birmingham and use a train which passes those stations anyway to pick up the calls.
I'm not sure if it's a franchise requirement to provide a limited number of trains from the intermediate stations to stations north of Walsall, though I doubt it, it may also be a possibility.
Right ballache after a long day lol. Takes longer on a diesel train!
Network Rail have announced their proposed blockades for Walsall and Chase line services for electrification and line speed works. On Sat/Sun 10/11 June, and every Sunday from 18 June to 30 July, the line will be closed north of Pleck, meaning replacement buses north of Tame Bridge.
They then propose a 16 day blockade from 13 August - the first 6 days from Pleck to Rugeley and the following 10 days from Ryecroft to Rugeley, meaning bus replacement services north of Tame Bridge from 13-18 August and north of Walsall from 19-28 August.
The good news of course is that there will be no late running overcrowded train services to complain about over those 16 days.
Pretty much all trains are suspended...
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 23, 2017, 06:53:57 PM
Pretty much all trains are suspended...
The X1 was overcrowded earlier. 6845 had a full standing load leaving Birmingham International towards the City Centre at 15:00.
A large crowd waiting for the X1 to Coventry as well which was a X1 branded Platinum.
Only four trains on the departure board at Birmingham New Street, two of those are going to Plymouth!
Quote from: JoNi on February 23, 2017, 07:50:41 PM
Only four trains on the departure board at Birmingham New Street, two of those are going to Plymouth!
One more than when I was passing through just before 6, and one of those was just saying 'Delayed'. 4909 was the haulage home due to no Cross City which was slowed somewhat outside New Street by a WB Enviro on the 80 (possibly 4960) on the 80 appearing to scrape down the side of it...
Quote from: Cheese on February 23, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
One more than when I was passing through just before 6, and one of those was just saying 'Delayed'. 4909 was the haulage home due to no Cross City which was slowed somewhat outside New Street by a WB Enviro on the 80 (possibly 4960) on the 80 appearing to scrape down the side of it...
Could've been, it was on there today. I got 4760 on the 80 as the Wolves-New St & Snow Hill lines were suspended
The Cross City line is closed today due to extensive damage caused by Storm Doris. Rail replacement buses are operating calling at stations between:
- Lichfield Trent Valley and Sutton Coldfield.
- Redditch and Longbridge.
- Longbridge and Bromsgrove.
All tickets dated 23rd February will be valid today.
Rail tickets are valid on all National Express West Midlands services along the Cross City Line.
https://twitter.com/NetworkRailBHM/status/835041510445957120
https://twitter.com/LondonMidland?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://www.londonmidland.com/travel-information/live-information/service-disruption?uq=636235167198211933&hootPostID=28d34a8fd8b43b64fac889d664b0bc82#INC1321053455
But in their wisdom control decided to clutter up journey check by listing individual cross-city trains under cancellations, and Bedford-Bletchley's 2 v 1's in the formation changes
If LM are getting 153s this summer could they not run them on the two car scheduled trips on the Chase line and move a couple of two car 170s to run at Bletchley? As a stop gap capacity increasing measure? There'd be more seats on the trips then and fresh air. The 2 car 4.42 from new st can be hell
Quote from: Bob on April 04, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
If LM are getting 153s this summer could they not run them on the two car scheduled trips on the Chase line and move a couple of two car 170s to run at Bletchley? As a stop gap capacity increasing measure? There'd be more seats on the trips then and fresh air. The 2 car 4.42 from new st can be hell
No, Can't run 170s on the Bedford-Bletchley, too long for the platforms. Cannot run 2x153 on there either
What will they use the extra 153s on then? As aren't they coming in and the 3 150s used on that line leaving?
Quote from: Bob on April 04, 2017, 09:00:05 PM
What will they use the extra 153s on then? As aren't they coming in and the 3 150s used on that line leaving?
I reckon in the new franchise Bedford-Bletchley will get ex Underground 230s, which are short length cars, so 2 cars can fit.
The converted 230 unit project originally designed for the Coventry-Ricoh line was supposed to have been abandoned due to various problems and considered too expensive to put right..as far as I am aware there was only one unit built for test purposes? one unit would surely not be a viable alternative?
The Class 230 project hasn't been cancelled and a battery powered Class 230 unit is now being tested alongside the diesel version. What was cancelled was the trial on the Coventry to Nuneaton line because the Kenilworth fire meant that there would be insufficient time for the trial before the LM franchise ends in October.
What Vivarail needs to find is an alternative test line, which could be anywhere in the country. For instance, First/MTR have to come up with plans to replace the ageing Isle of Wight units.
The company selected to operate the West Midlands franchise will be announced in June, so it will be interesting to see if the successful bidder has plans to use the Class 230, either for testing or to operate a line such as Bletchley to Bedford as Tony suggests. Any rolling stock used on this line would be a short term solution as it will become part of the first section of the East-West line within the next 7 years. Given that Govia were keen to trial the train in the current franchise, they may be keen to do the same in the new franchise should they retain it.
A report by Adrian Shooter on the future of the Class 230 project can be found at http://vivarail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Pages-from-RTM-FEB-MAR-17.pdf (http://vivarail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Pages-from-RTM-FEB-MAR-17.pdf)
Adrian Shooter of course is not an impartial reporter.
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As for the 153 v 150 business surely common sense answer is for LM to keep the 150s and loan the 153s to Northern, allowing Northern to strengthen twice as many trains, albeit with less seats per train.
And reduce capacity on the Chase line even more? The early morning into and especially 5.12 evening out of brum which use 153 are almost unbearable as it is
Quote from: Roy on April 06, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
What Vivarail needs to find is an alternative test line, which could be anywhere in the country. For instance, First/MTR have to come up with plans to replace the ageing Isle of Wight units.
The D stock is too large to fit through the tunnel in Ryde from the seafront to St John's Rd.
When they electrified the line in 1967 they had to raise the tracks through the tunnel giving it a reduced loading gauge. Only tube trains will fit through there without extensive civil engineering.
Quote from: mikestone on April 06, 2017, 04:44:49 PM
Adrian Shooter of course is not an impartial reporter.
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As for the 153 v 150 business surely common sense answer is for LM to keep the 150s and loan the 153s to Northern, allowing Northern to strengthen twice as many trains, albeit with less seats per train.
Northern are getting rid of their 153s, so why would they want more? LM are getting more 153s to help strengthen their current services as well as replace the 150s.
Quote from: T840MAK on April 06, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
Northern are getting rid of their 153s, so why would they want more? LM are getting more 153s to help strengthen their current services as well as replace the 150s.
That's of course if FGW can release them before the change of franchise.
Transfer of 165s from London to Bristol & the West Country a bit behind
But the 150s are used on the Bedford to Bletchley line ? And a 2 car 153 apparently can't work it? So what will replace the 150s? Hopefully they'll put the 153s on the back of the 2 car trips on the Chase line!
There's also the Leamington-Kenilworth-Coventry service starting
Well hopefully they'll shift some chappy 2 car 170 onto it then. The air con wasn't working on a rammed 2 car one the other day. Boiling on it can't imagine it'll be fun in the summer. 153s are noisy as he'll but nicer to listen to than a 170 and also plenty of air!
Quote from: Bob on April 06, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
But the 150s are used on the Bedford to Bletchley line ? And a 2 car 153 apparently can't work it? So what will replace the 150s? Hopefully they'll put the 153s on the back of the 2 car trips on the Chase line!
2/150 and 1/153 on the Marston Vale will be replaced by 2x1/153.
I assume the 150 on Birmingham to Hereford will be replaced by 2/153.
No doubt the fourth 153 will be used on Cov-Nun
Number five and number six, I can't say.
Quote from: T840MAK on April 06, 2017, 08:35:45 PM
2/150 and 1/153 on the Marston Vale will be replaced by 2x1/153.
I assume the 150 on Birmingham to Hereford will be replaced by 2/153.
No doubt the fourth 153 will be used on Cov-Nun
Number five and number six, I can't say.
The reason one of the Marston Vale services is a 150 is because a single 153 cannot cope with a crowd of school children on one trip
Quote from: Tony on April 06, 2017, 08:57:58 PM
The reason one of the Marston Vale services is a 150 is because a single 153 cannot cope with a crowd of school children on one trip
The only difference is, it's going to have to cope unless some platform extensions happen. Whether LM or anyone else like it, they're losing the 150s and getting 153s instead.
Quote from: T840MAK on April 10, 2017, 09:04:18 PM
The only difference is, it's going to have to cope unless some platform extensions happen. Whether LM or anyone else like it, they're losing the 150s and getting 153s instead.
Pretty sure there would be problems with extending the platforms due to level crossings and signal posts at stations
Quote from: T840MAK on April 10, 2017, 09:04:18 PM
The only difference is, it's going to have to cope unless some platform extensions happen. Whether LM or anyone else like it, they're losing the 150s and getting 153s instead.
Also depends on whether FGW actually release the 153s before the end of the current LM franchise.
Their internal cascades are running behind schedule due to late electrification.
LM aren't afraid to do short term hires even this late on in the franchise as shown by the arrival of two more 319s covering for the two damaged 350s
They got it right this morning for a change. The 724 from Landywood was 4 cars and the one after. So it can be done!
Looks like the 5.42 is gonna be 2 car tonight...jesus
Not sure if it's been mentioned but the 323 I'm on has information screens fitted in telling you stuff like where the train is going and adverts . Is this permanent or part of a trial?
Just seen a 150 going into new st what journey would that be running on?
Quote from: Bob on April 25, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
Just seen a 150 going into new st what journey would that be running on?
The Hereford line??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 25, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
The Hereford line??
The 1819 Worcester Shrub Hill from New Street is a 150 every day, think it does the 1449 New Street to Hereford and 1639 return before working the 1819.
Does it run on Saturday? Or is it 170
Quote from: Bob on April 27, 2017, 09:39:30 PM
Does it run on Saturday? Or is it 170
No, it doesn't
Are trains to Stratford On Avon normally reliable?
We're going for the day on Saturday.
Some 350/3s have acquired contravision, advertising the ability to stream entertainment.
Quote from: mikestone on April 28, 2017, 01:38:00 PM
Some 350/3s have acquired contravision, advertising the ability to stream entertainment.
and a decreased ability to look through the windows.
Quote from: Westy on April 27, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
Are trains to Stratford On Avon normally reliable?
We're going for the day on Saturday.
Not been late when I have been catching it on Sunday's.
On another topic:
London Midland are launching on-board entertainment.
"Our free onboard entertainment service is now here. Check out the amazing films, TV shows, books and magazines " - LM Facebook Page
Quote from: Adam 404 on April 28, 2017, 04:58:13 PM
Not been late when I have been catching it on Sunday's.
On another topic:
London Midland are launching on-board entertainment.
"Our free onboard entertainment service is now here. Check out the amazing films, TV shows, books and magazines " - LM Facebook Page
Except he said Saturdays...
Quote from: Dom on April 28, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
Except he said Saturdays...
I know. Fortunately I can read. I doubt that reliability is vastly different dependent on days in a weekend.
Quote from: Westy on April 27, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
Are trains to Stratford On Avon normally reliable?
We're going for the day on Saturday.
Yes, they are normally reliable on Saturdays (and other days of the week as well).
Quote from: Justin Tyme on April 28, 2017, 08:43:58 PM
Yes, they are normally reliable on Saturdays (and other days of the week as well).
Looking at Recent Time Trains for the last 4 Saturdays all journeys between Moor Street and Stratford-upon-Avon (either route) between 07:00 and 12:00 have operated and pretty much all of them have arrived on time, only a couple of journeys arrived between 2 and 5 mins late so a very reliable service from the looks of it.
Cheers folks
On the way back at the moment.
Couple of observations from today.
Putting our tickets through the barrier didnt work at both New Street & Moor Street, having to be waved through by staff.
1612 from New Street to Rugeley Tv, not stopping at the Bloxwich stations!
@Bob - Is that usual?
As we're only going as far as Walsall, it doesnt really matter, but wondered anyway.
Yes the 12 past is Saturday only limited stop
Just overhead an interesting conversation between the Stourbridge Shuttle driver & conductor and it would appear that London Midland have got mice or rats in the drivers rest room at Stourbridge Junction errr oh dear that is a shame...
Quote from: Will on May 02, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
Just overhead an interesting conversation between the Stourbridge Shuttle driver & conductor and it would appear that London Midland have got mice or rats in the drivers rest room at Stourbridge Junction errr oh dear that is a shame...
That's nothing new, there have always been rats and mice around the station area, I think it is because there are no proper sewers on the station, just tanks that are emptied every Sunday.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 03, 2017, 12:26:06 PM
That's nothing new, there have always been rats and mice around the station area, I think it is because there are no proper sewers on the station, just tanks that are emptied every Sunday.
Perhaps they should employ a few cats...
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on May 03, 2017, 05:34:52 PM
Perhaps they should employ a few cats...
They could use some bardics if they've got any left lying around. A signalman I know from up north always use to have his bardic handy when he'd be working at a box with rats or mice
AUTUMN CASCADE IN THE PIPELINE FOR DMUs
A small cascade of Porterbrook owned DMU's involving GWR, London Midland and Northern is planned for later this year.
Five GWR Class 153's are scheduled to move to LM in the autumn to replace three Class 150/1's, which will move to Northern. The single car 153's are 153325/329/333/361/369, and are the only five leased from Porterbrook by GWR. They will replace 150105/107/109, which are the only members of the class leased by LM.
323203 on the 2212 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 19, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
323203 on the 2212 Coventry to Birmingham New Street
The 21:14 BHM-COV is usually 323. Think it comes off a Wolves-New St, not 100% sure though
Comes off the 20.40 from Walsall. Diagrams are on the ukmodern emu yahoo group.
Amanda Millings supporters knocked my door today. After I told them where to shove their leaflet I asked "What has her publicity shots done for the Chase line?". She answered "She cares deeply and it has brought you those extra carriages". I asked her to correct that advising I use it daily and there are no extra carriages and Amanda Milling was explicitly advised by the transport minister that there will be no extra diesel carriages and she's therefore lying. She stormed off! As she was leaving I asked her to pass on from me that she's a stain on humanity 😂
Quote from: Bob on May 29, 2017, 04:48:02 PM
Amanda Millings supporters knocked my door today. After I told them where to shove their leaflet I asked "What has her publicity shots done for the Chase line?". She answered "She cares deeply and it has brought you those extra carriages". I asked her to correct that advising I use it daily and there are no extra carriages and Amanda Milling was explicitly advised by the transport minister that there will be no extra diesel carriages and she's therefore lying. She stormed off! As she was leaving I asked her to pass on from me that she's a stain on humanity 😂
Dave Winnick was spotted by a friend canvassing on a recent Saturday evening in the Field Road area of Bloxwich!
Trains were all pretty much screwed earlier. Incident at bescot, signalling problems between new street and wolvo
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 01, 2017, 02:34:43 PM
Trains were all pretty much screwed earlier. Incident at bescot, signalling problems between new street and wolvo
Incident at Bescot was those two teenage lads getting far too near the OHLE.
Caught the train from Spring Road, Acocks Green to Birmingham Moor Street today, the ticket office was closed at Spring Road and i've never caught the train from Spring Road before, no guard was checkeing and selling tickets onboard, the gates and barriers at Moor Street were just open letting people walk through, so anyone travelling from Spring Road to Moor Street would have just walked away with a free journey. When it was at the platform on Spring Road, I went and asked the guard for a ticket as I was thinking I probably wouldn't be able to get through the barriers at the other end at Moor Street, but nobody else boarding at Spring Road did and they all got a free journey.
Quote from: 2206 on June 23, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Caught the train from Spring Road, Acocks Green to Birmingham Moor Street today, the ticket office was closed at Spring Road and i've never caught the train from Spring Road before, no guard was checkeing and selling tickets onboard, the gates and barriers at Moor Street were just open letting people walk through, so anyone travelling from Spring Road to Moor Street would have just walked away with a free journey. When it was at the platform on Spring Road, I went and asked the guard for a ticket as I was thinking I probably wouldn't be able to get through the barriers at the other end at Moor Street, but nobody else boarding at Spring Road did and they all got a free journey.
It's nearly always like that.
They really REALLY need to sort out the 6.14am train from Landywood out. Rammed daily. More and more amazon workers and a crap two carriage every single day. It stinks as well. Two 153 carriages joined together would be better and go some way towards the chronic lack of seats
Quote from: 2206 on June 23, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Caught the train from Spring Road, Acocks Green to Birmingham Moor Street today, the ticket office was closed at Spring Road and i've never caught the train from Spring Road before, no guard was checkeing and selling tickets onboard, the gates and barriers at Moor Street were just open letting people walk through, so anyone travelling from Spring Road to Moor Street would have just walked away with a free journey. When it was at the platform on Spring Road, I went and asked the guard for a ticket as I was thinking I probably wouldn't be able to get through the barriers at the other end at Moor Street, but nobody else boarding at Spring Road did and they all got a free journey.
Had a similar experience the other day. Jewellery quarter ticket office was closed with the shutter down just after 4pm (start of the busiest time of day). The permit to travel machine was "not in use". I didn't have a bank card with me so no way of buying a ticket. Caught the train and no sign of a conductor/inspector.
Now i don't mind not having to pay (legally the onus is on lm to collect fares, not for passengers to struggle to find a way of paying) but this this does make a mockery of revenue protection.
At the moment a combination of expensive tickets, unreliable and dirty trains, disinterested staff and open ticket barriers means that a good proportion of passengers on this line never pay a fare.
Does anybody know which 150 will be on the Hereford Service this week?
Reason I'm asking is because I want to get an on-board video of 150105 & 150107 before they move to Northern.
Thank You in Advance 8)
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 25, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Does anybody know which 150 will be on the Hereford Service this week?
Reason I'm asking is because I want to get an on-board video of 150105 & 150107 before they move to Northern.
Thank You in Advance 8)
You've a 66% chance of it being one of those so surely it's worth a punt anyway!
It is very rare for 150105 to be on the Bedford Bletchley, apparently that is the least reliable of the 3 so is nearly always working or spare at Tyseley
@The Real 4778 @Tony Thank You Both 8)
Quote from: 2206 on June 23, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Caught the train from Spring Road, Acocks Green to Birmingham Moor Street today, the ticket office was closed at Spring Road and i've never caught the train from Spring Road before, no guard was checkeing and selling tickets onboard, the gates and barriers at Moor Street were just open letting people walk through, so anyone travelling from Spring Road to Moor Street would have just walked away with a free journey. When it was at the platform on Spring Road, I went and asked the guard for a ticket as I was thinking I probably wouldn't be able to get through the barriers at the other end at Moor Street, but nobody else boarding at Spring Road did and they all got a free journey.
Doesn't surprise me - ticket office staffing along the Snow Hill line is inconsistent as anything, and the guards seem particularly missing when it comes to revenue checking duties. Next franchise needs to get a grip on it. I use Cross Country, Transpennine and Northern regularly; can pretty much guarantee a ticket check on them and staff are usually very well mannered and friendly - throw in ATW as well when I use them and it seems London Midland has some what of an issue in motivating staff to actually do the ticket checks....
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 25, 2017, 10:00:00 PM
Doesn't surprise me - ticket office staffing along the Snow Hill line is inconsistent as anything, and the guards seem particularly missing when it comes to revenue checking duties. Next franchise needs to get a grip on it. I use Cross Country, Transpennine and Northern regularly; can pretty much guarantee a ticket check on them and staff are usually very well mannered and friendly - throw in ATW as well when I use them and it seems London Midland has some what of an issue in motivating staff to actually do the ticket checks....
Franchise winner should be announced in the next fortnight, be interesting to see if the winner has promised anything on revenue protection
Quote from: WMT3000 on June 24, 2017, 09:50:40 AM
Had a similar experience the other day. Jewellery quarter ticket office was closed with the shutter down just after 4pm (start of the busiest time of day). The permit to travel machine was "not in use". I didn't have a bank card with me so no way of buying a ticket. Caught the train and no sign of a conductor/inspector.
Now i don't mind not having to pay (legally the onus is on lm to collect fares, not for passengers to struggle to find a way of paying) but this this does make a mockery of revenue protection.
On Arriva Trains,the onus is on passengers to find the guard otherwise you will be put in court,fined up to £600+ and named in the local paper. Clearly one rule for London Midland and another for others.
Quote from: Tony on June 25, 2017, 10:04:15 PM
Franchise winner should be announced in the next fortnight, be interesting to see if the winner has promised anything on revenue protection
Thanks for the information Tony - all gone quiet with the announcement timing with the election occuring. Will be interesting; hope whoever wins do as it is a fair amount they must lose to uncollected fares.
Yesterday at around 11am there was no barriers at new st and think ticket machine weren't working at Cannock so a lot of passengers got a free ride. No conductor of course
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 25, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Does anybody know which 150 will be on the Hereford Service this week?
Reason I'm asking is because I want to get an on-board video of 150105 & 150107 before they move to Northern.
Thank You in Advance 8)
Well 150107 is currently at Tyseley TMD. If that helps
The difference between TOCs and even train crew depots is the contracts. Some guards are employed on a commercial basis (revenue protection on top of safety critical duties) whilst others are non-commercial. I'm not sure whether all LM guards are commercial or not, although if not it'd go some way towards explaining the lack of revenue protection onboard certain services.
Quote from: T840MAK on June 26, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
The difference between TOCs and even train crew depots is the contracts. Some guards are employed on a commercial basis (revenue protection on top of safety critical duties) whilst others are non-commercial. I'm not sure whether all LM guards are commercial or not, although if not it'd go some way towards explaining the lack of revenue protection onboard certain services.
They are all commercial. However, safety critical duties are the first priority and revenue duties are only permitted around these.
Quote from: andy41 on June 26, 2017, 10:17:49 PM
They are all commercial. However, safety critical duties are the first priority and revenue duties are only permitted around these.
Does that basically mean sitting in the cab and just doing the doors then? Because that's all most of them do, even with longer distance between stops
Quote from: Kevin on June 27, 2017, 07:08:08 AM
Does that basically mean sitting in the cab and just doing the doors then? Because that's all most of them do, even with longer distance between stops
It is largely left to the discretion of the individual.
Don't also forget that on routes like the CrossCity and Snow Hill lines that there isn't much distance between stations, and so guards may not find any benefit of going through the train on doing revenue.
13.01 Birmingham-Liverpool was eight cars as far as Crewe today - it would appear that the 10.46 Euston-Crewe terminated at Rugby and then coupled to the 11.25 Northampton-Birmingham to form it!
London Midland have issued a track access application for the new Leamington-Coventry service in December. I assume the reference to cl.153 being procured by the DfT refers to the ones already earmarked to replace the 150s.
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http://archive.nr.co.uk/browse%20documents/track%20access/1%20current%20consultations/11-07-2017%20-%20london%20midland%205th%20sa%20-%20section%2022%20-%20closes%20thurs%2010th%20aug%202017/lm%205th%20s.a%20form%20p%20draft%20v2%20(2).pdf
Quote from: mikestone on July 12, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
London Midland have issued a track access application for the new Leamington-Coventry service in December. I assume the reference to cl.153 being procured by the DfT refers to the ones already earmarked to replace the 150s.
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http://archive.nr.co.uk/browse%20documents/track%20access/1%20current%20consultations/11-07-2017%20-%20london%20midland%205th%20sa%20-%20section%2022%20-%20closes%20thurs%2010th%20aug%202017/lm%205th%20s.a%20form%20p%20draft%20v2%20(2).pdf
Would have thought it should be the new franchisee that issue the track access application, unless this rumour of a two year extension to London Midland is correct.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 12, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
Would have thought it should be the new franchisee that issue the track access application, unless this rumour of a two year extension to London Midland is correct.
'The operation of an hourly service between Coventry and Leamington Spa, to serve the new Kenilworth station, is specified by the DfT as part of the Train Service Requirement for December 2017 for the next West Midlands franchise. As the current West Midlands franchise ends on 15th October 2017 then London Midland will be requesting these rights on behalf of the next franchisee.'
Quote from: mikestone on July 12, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
London Midland have issued a track access application for the new Leamington-Coventry service in December. I assume the reference to cl.153 being procured by the DfT refers to the ones already earmarked to replace the 150s.
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http://archive.nr.co.uk/browse%20documents/track%20access/1%20current%20consultations/11-07-2017%20-%20london%20midland%205th%20sa%20-%20section%2022%20-%20closes%20thurs%2010th%20aug%202017/lm%205th%20s.a%20form%20p%20draft%20v2%20(2).pdf
Because FGW won't be releasing the 153s in time for the December timetable I'm being told the 153 might be released from closer to home by a surprise arrival
The electrification of the Chase Line is showing a huge leap forward this morning with all the masts in place between Cannock & Hednesford
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
Because FGW won't be releasing the 153s in time for the December timetable I'm being told the 153 might be released from closer to home by a surprise arrival
As long as it isn't removed from chase line trips!
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
Because FGW won't be releasing the 153s in time for the December timetable I'm being told the 153 might be released from closer to home by a surprise arrival
Arriva Train Wales by any chance?
I can't imagine ATW have anything to spare, they diagrammed extra units in May without actually having any more sets.
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Quote from: mikestone on July 14, 2017, 09:00:48 AM
I can't imagine ATW have anything to spare, they diagrammed extra units in May without actually having any more sets.
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The only other thing I can think is, will the 153 be released from London Midland itself by whatever this surprise arrival is, maybe London Midland are acquiring Chilterns bubble cars lol. :D :D :D :D
If East Midlands diagrammed Meridians to the same availability as Virgin do Voyagers (with the added complication of tilt and buffets they actually use other than to store a trolley) they might be able to release something.
London Midland have had an 8 week extension for starters with an option for a further 8 week extension:
https://www.go-ahead.com/en/media/news/2017/london-midland-franchise-extension.html
On class 150 to Hereford at new st. Looking at the seats I thought the legroom would be bad but I'm on a 3 seater and it's fine and I'm over 6ft and on a 3 seater. These should NEVER have been taken off the Chase line, for 2 car trips anyway, there's loads more seats and the standing area is better. Bring em back!
You have remembered the wires right?
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 10:45:11 AM
On class 150 to Hereford at new st. Looking at the seats I thought the legroom would be bad but I'm on a 3 seater and it's fine and I'm over 6ft and on a 3 seater. These should NEVER have been taken off the Chase line, for 2 car trips anyway, there's loads more seats and the standing area is better. Bring em back!
You must have shorter legs than me, because I cannot sit in them with my legs straight in front of me, and you try getting out of one on a packed train when you have to move two people out and squeeze past through the narrow isle to get off. I was travelling on them in the North West last month and even in the peak so few people actually use the middle seat, preferring to stand
Yes and it's not gonna be till around this time next year that the old 323s are running on there so for two car trips it'd be better! Two car 170s are ridiculous.
And Tony I found the legroom better than a 323 and the interior nicer than a 153
Seriously though that 150 was much more pleasurable to travel on than any 170. It was quieter than a 153 good on acceleration and had an airy interior and no filthy stinking carpets. And for standees the door area is better laid out
I find the 150's nice why did LM get rid of most of them. Can't wait to sit on the 302 looking over the railway and seeing desires or 323's going down there
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 21, 2017, 08:03:16 PM
I find the 150's nice why did LM get rid of most of them. Can't wait to sit on the 302 looking over the railway and seeing desires or 323's going down there
You won't see any desiros, they haven't got SDO so cannot be used on the Chase line until all the platforms are extended
Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day. They didn't need to electrify the line really.... maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride
How much quicker will a 323 make Hednesford to Brum?
Is it my imagination or is this electrification taking forever, when is it due for completion.
Preston to Blackpool North which only was started late last year is due to be completed next year.
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day. They didn't need to electrify the line really.... maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride
Are you for real?
Worse legroom on a 323 that the 150s?
I'm 6ft 4, I have never had problems on the 323s, but if I was ever on the LM 150s I wouldn't even bother attempting sitting down cannot physically fold myself into them seats
Quote from: Kevin on July 21, 2017, 09:24:11 PM
Are you for real?
Worse legroom on a 323 that the 150s?
I'm 6ft 4, I have never had problems on the 323s, but if I was ever on the LM 150s I wouldn't even bother attempting sitting down cannot physically fold myself into them seats
Well said, the 150s were terrible for legroom but having used 323s most days for the past 10 years they are perfectly fine. And not uncomfortable, even on a long trip having done 50 or so mins on one back from Lichfield City to Bournville on Tuesday night.
I had no problems whatsoever on the 150 the 323 have crap legroom. 150 was a little tight but not as bad as 153s. My knees are up the back of the seat in front on a 323
And the seats on 323s are absolutely rock hard there's barely any padding left on em!
If you want rock hard seats try the Metro. 323s are heaven in comparison.
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
"Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned" "sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride"
Well, I much prefer a 323 to a voyagers vestibule floor near the disabled toilet on a journey from New Street to Temple Meads and a 323 is also more comfortable than the vestibule of a MK3 with wet carpet from Temple Meads to New Street. The only thing good about a packed DB XC HST MK3 carriage is the window you can open.
If I am being honest anything can be cramped uncomfortable but it's all down to what you want from the journey. if its comfort then I would suggest you find a short man and get a Rolls Royce because that will give comfort.
And as for your comment "it'll be an uncomfortable ride" I think that 323's aren't bad I have travelled on worse on the National Network.
Quote from: tank90 on July 21, 2017, 10:04:16 PM
Well, I much prefer a 323 to a voyagers vestibule floor near the disabled toilet on a journey from New Street to Temple Meads and a 323 is also more comfortable than the vestibule of a MK3 with wet carpet from Temple Meads to New Street. The only thing good about a packed DB XC HST MK3 carriage is the window you can open.
Not for much longer...... :D
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
I had no problems whatsoever on the 150 the 323 have crap legroom. 150 was a little tight but not as bad as 153s. My knees are up the back of the seat in front on a 323
Nah
Not buying it
For your knees to be right up the back of the seat in front you'd have to be similar height to me
Would be literally impossible for you to fit into the seats on 150s and sit facing forward
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day. They didn't need to electrify the line really.... maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride
Worse legroom than the 150s? Are you sure about that ???
There's absolutely nothing uncomfortable about the 323s
Don't forget the table seats on the 170s !!!
Quote from: Chris on July 22, 2017, 03:56:41 PM
Don't forget the table seats on the 170s !!!
170s are the most comfortable trains I've ever travelled on
Try getting into the table seat!!
Quote from: Chris on July 22, 2017, 04:24:43 PM
Try getting into the table seat!!
Is it meant to be difficult? I can sit down at the table seats with ease
You are probably as thin as a rake! For some people that has a big bootee it can be a little tight!
Quote from: Chris on July 22, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
You are probably as thin as a rake! For some people that has a big bootee it can be a little tight!
Oh ok haha.
Due to the arm rest Don't move up!
Quote from: Chris on July 22, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Due to the arm rest Don't move up!
The one on the aisle I presume you mean? The ones in between the two seats move
That's the one
Quote from: Chris on July 22, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
You are probably as thin as a rake! For some people that has a big bootee it can be a little tight!
I'm not the thinnest person in the world and I can't recall having an issue with my table seat both ways between New Street and Hereford a couple of months ago. The only issue I had is that I had to stand until Bromsgrove on the way to Hereford, but that's to be expected with the time of day I was travelling at. The journey back was a lot better in that regard.
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day. They didn't need to electrify the line really.... maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride
323's have the most reliable & efficient aircon available. It's called 'opening the windows'...
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on July 23, 2017, 11:49:07 AM
323's have the most reliable & efficient aircon available. It's called 'opening the windows'...
One of the reasons I travel in the 153 to and from work
The good thing about the 153s having opening windows is it helps get rid of the stench of the filthy interiors and carpets lol
Quote from: Bob on July 23, 2017, 01:32:39 PM
The good thing about the 153s having opening windows is it helps get rid of the stench of the filthy interiors and carpets lol
One of them now has a completely new interior, looks much better
Has it? What's been changed? Flooring? That carpet up the walls? Have you seen the ceiling panels on them? Christ knows when they last cleaned em lol
Quote from: Bob on July 23, 2017, 02:16:12 PM
Has it? What's been changed? Flooring? That carpet up the walls? Have you seen the ceiling panels on them? Christ knows when they last cleaned em lol
Everything, even all the wall panels by the entrances and toilets have been replaced with much brighter panels, new carpets on the floor and walls and seats recovered. LED lighting by the door vestibles. The only thing they don't seem to have done is cleaned the light diffusers
Has this one been used on the Chase services?
Quote from: Bob on July 23, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
Has this one been used on the Chase services?
Yes, I caught it in to work one day this week
Quote from: Bob on July 23, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
Has this one been used on the Chase services?
I've just caught it home, it is 153334.
On another subject Modern Railways this month has published that LM hope to have 230001 in service on the Coventry-Nuneaton line occasionally from September. This is hopefully where the 153 for the Coventry-Kenilworth-Leamington service is coming from I referred to earlier
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2017, 05:50:52 PM
On another subject Modern Railways this month has published that LM hope to have 230001 in service on the Coventry-Nuneaton line occasionally from September. This is hopefully where the 153 for the Coventry-Kenilworth-Leamington service is coming from I referred to earlier
Does it come with it's own fire engine? :D :D :D
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2017, 10:16:52 PM
Does it come with it's own fire engine? :D :D :D
No, only steam loco's come with tenders....
I don't know which refurbished 153 you caught Tony but I'm on the 5.12 from brum and it's had the walls and ceilings painted white apart from the luggage racks but still has the filthy carpet and the seats haven't been recovered
This was 153365 maybe it's mid refurb
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
This was 153365 maybe it's mid refurb
It had no lights working either when I caught it this morning, although they were later on, at least they have cleaned the light covers on that one, they haven't on 153334
We had a treat of a 4 car on the 7.24 from Landywood in yesterday! For once it was ample!
Question. It currently takes just over 40 mins from Cannock to Birmingham. Once the massively publicised electrification is done and they finally get the trains...how long would the same trip take on a 323
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Question. It currently takes just over 40 mins from Cannock to Birmingham. Once the massively publicised electrification is done and they finally get the trains...how long would the same trip take on a 323
If it is 323s, we should find out in the next few days with the franchise announcement, but they reckon about a 6 minute saving
Christ all those millions for that lol....I'd have just lengthened the platforms and used some displaced diesels when they became available
What could it be if not 323
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2017, 07:29:07 PM
What could it be if not 323
Brand new trains
refurbished 319s; 321s; the 707s not now required by the new South West Trains franchise; The 379s currently on the Stanstead Express are all available soon. The 379s would fit well as they have the same seat grey dot moquette as NXWM were using!
What do you think could be most likely? 319/321
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2017, 07:49:35 PM
What do you think could be most likely? 319/321
Everyone who actually knows is sworn to secrecy until the announcement, but one person who has seen the bids at TfWM has told me there will be a lot of changes for the better whichever wins, so I am actually quite impatient to find out. I suspect there may be a good few surprises in there
Changes for the better as in new trains? Or more interesting old ones? Class 170s are possibly the most boring characterless trains ever
There's a lot more discussion and speculation going on in this thread (http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=134860&page=17) over on UKRail Forums. From what I've seen on there, it seems like it's gonna go to Abellio and that we're getting a bunch of Class 195's. Nothing's concrete though, obviously, as it's just posts on a forum.
Quote from: DJ98 on August 09, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
There's a lot more discussion and speculation going on in this thread (http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=134860&page=17) over on UKRail Forums. From what I've seen on there, it seems like it's gonna go to Abellio and that we're getting a bunch of Class 195's. Nothing's concrete though, obviously, as it's just posts on a forum.
Not for the Chase Line. 195s are diesels.
As you say all this is speculation. Even the people at TfWM who have seen both bids do not know the winner is yet
4 car 8am to brum was CANCELLED this morning the next train was an unable to cope 2 car... glad I caught the 7.24. Pretty bad tho. Lots of peak time outbound cancellations recently. Poor show
Quote from: Bob on August 10, 2017, 05:54:49 PM
4 car 8am to brum was CANCELLED this morning the next train was an unable to cope 2 car... glad I caught the 7.24. Pretty bad tho. Lots of peak time outbound cancellations recently. Poor show
Yes. All caused by the Nationalised part of the Railway Industry, none of it London Midland's fault
The fact they run 2 car trains at peak times is. The 16.42 ou of brum in particular is a joke. They have run 3 cars on there previously so it can be done and even then it's just about able to cope
Your not a fan of public ownership at all are you Tony lol
Quote from: Bob on August 10, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
The fact they run 2 car trains at peak times is. The 16.42 ou of brum in particular is a joke. They have run 3 cars on there previously so it can be done and even then it's just about able to cope
London Midland diagram 7 of their 8 3-car 170s every day, when all 8 are available then the diagram that does the 16:42 gets the 8th, but you cannot expect 100% availability every day.
It's not that I am not a fan of Nationalisation, I don't care who runs anything as long as they do the best job possible, what I don't like is the wrong people getting blamed for anything that goes wrong or just blaming privatisation. The problem this morning was a siganalling failure at Wolverhampton, and as the 4 car morning train got stuck in the middle of that London Midland could hardly be blamed for it not getting to Rugeley to do its next trip
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
London Midland diagram 7 of their 8 3-car 170s every day, when all 8 are available then the diagram that does the 16:42 gets the 8th, but you cannot expect 100% availability every day.
It's not that I am not a fan of Nationalisation, I don't care who runs anything as long as they do the best job possible, what I don't like is the wrong people getting blamed for anything that goes wrong or just blaming privatisation. The problem this morning was a siganalling failure at Wolverhampton, and as the 4 car morning train got stuck in the middle of that London Midland could hardly be blamed for it not getting to Rugeley to do its next trip
Private ownership is better in every single industry to get the best job possible. Plus it's fair. Paying for stuff you actually use and all. Let's not get political though, lol.
Not always...privatisation in buses was supposed to have brought in competition etc but has led in a lot of areas to private monopoly...look at cannock! More choice of operators pre privatisation! Lol
Govia it is then, what other benefits apart from wifi then?
Abellio has the franchise now
@monkeyjoe
Opps your right the current ones have lost it yep that's what I meant lol
On several occasions recently journey check has been showingone diagram on Bedford Bletchley trains 2 vice 1 - are they running up the mileages on the 150s before they go?
Quote from: mikestone on August 12, 2017, 02:17:25 PM
On several occasions recently journey check has been showingone diagram on Bedford Bletchley trains 2 vice 1 - are they running up the mileages on the 150s before they go?
probably while the 153s get their internal refresh
One of the Walsall - Wolves stoppers was cancelled after reaching Birmingham New Street today, right after the WBA match too, so there was a lot of people waiting and I presume the next one along was rammed.
Quote from: DJ98 on August 12, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
One of the Walsall - Wolves stoppers was cancelled after reaching Birmingham New Street today, right after the WBA match too, so there was a lot of people waiting and I presume the next one along was rammed.
Similar; 17:42 to Rugeley cancelled; 1812 rammed with football fans
19.01 from Cannock cancelled due to "train crew unavailable " WTF....a joke
Can you buy a N train with penkridge extension?
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 08:04:34 AM
Can you buy a N train with penkridge extension?
Yes, you can extend Ntrain to almost anywhere in the Midlands
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 08:04:34 AM
Can you buy a N train with penkridge extension?
(https://i.imgur.com/L3ssPuB.png)
Would likely be cheaper in the long run if you got it yearly, too, but it'll depend on what you need it for, I guess.
Christ almighty!
Insane! More than double
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 09:42:25 AM
Insane! More than double
Yes, fares on the Chase line are some of the cheapest in the country for distance travelled
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2017, 12:24:28 PM
Yes, fares on the Chase line are some of the cheapest in the country for distance travelled
Maybe we deserve the 2 carriages overcrowded smelly old trains lateness and cancellations lol
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 12:57:19 PM
Maybe we deserve the 2 carriages overcrowded smelly old trains lateness and cancellations lol
I'm not going to dispute the other points, but don't you usually get 170s on there? I wouldn't call them old by any means.
Maybe not old but sometimes a bit smelly and definitely woefully inadequate at peak times
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 03:15:32 PM
Maybe not old but sometimes a bit smelly and definitely woefully inadequate at peak times
Yeah, I guess they're more suited to longer distance routes rather than for commuting in and out of Birmingham. I've caught a 170 a few times at peak out of New Street to Sandwell and Dudley, and it's been awfully cramped. They were lovely for the journey from Birmingham to Hereford and back though, when it wasn't peak time.
Yea sprinters definitely better for commuting
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
Yea sprinters definitely better for commuting
They're showing their age nowadays though - would 323's work on the Chase line once the Cross City gets new trains? They're 3 car trains and a lot more suited to commuting.
Quote from: DJ98 on August 23, 2017, 05:17:07 PM
They're showing their age nowadays though - would 323's work on the Chase line once the Cross City gets new trains? They're 3 car trains and a lot more suited to commuting.
They would, and will turn up on there initially, but they will be going off-lease in a couple of years time
Next December isn't it we've got to wait till....
Quote from: Bob on August 23, 2017, 05:38:11 PM
Next December isn't it we've got to wait till....
Some will be turning up as soon as the wires go live, probably at weekends initially
When's that?
Is it November the 150s going? If so where is the next best local place to find 150s?
Northern have plenty of Class 150 units in and around Manchester,of both the 1501xx and 1502xx variety.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 26, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
Is it November the 150s going? If so where is the next best local place to find 150s?
Try Worcester. The GWR 150's can often be found on the services down to Bristol.
Shrewsbury - Arriva Trains Wales' 150/2s reach there.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 28, 2017, 04:54:43 PM
Shrewsbury - Arriva Trains Wales' 150/2s reach there.
They also reach new st on occasion sometimes attached to a 2 car 158
Quote from: Bob on August 28, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
They also reach new st on occasion sometimes attached to a 2 car 158
Quite:
First day back on chase line..."service delayed due to a train fault " lol
I'm assuming the 153 refurbishment programme will now cease
Quote from: Bob on August 29, 2017, 07:27:25 AM
First day back on chase line..."service delayed due to a train fault " lol
Everything is within 5 minutes of correct time
Sat at new street....17.12 still hasn't left.....
I know there were signal problems toward rugeley outbound this morning. Was this so going into Brum too? Train has basically crawled all the way from hamstead
Well they've lost one returnee over to the X51 as a bloke by me originally caught the X51 then changed to the train from Bloxwich, then changed to the X51 when these latest works started & has not changed back yet!
6.10 from Cannock cancelled this morning....you know the one people rely on to get to work early....
Quote from: Bob on August 31, 2017, 06:22:52 AM
6.10 from Cannock cancelled this morning....you know the one people rely on to get to work early....
And who's fault was it? Not London Midland's. The train got to Rugeley North Junction 8 Minutes early and sat there for 2hours20minutes because of a points failure. Damn Nationalised railway!
Did I say it was? But at no time this week have many rush hour morning trains ran on time. It's appalling and unreliable and another reason we need a better bloody bus service! Tues morning was late coming into Brum then a "train fault" delayed the 512 back. Is there ever a day without problems on this service???
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2017, 08:26:22 AM
And who's fault was it? Not London Midland's. The train got to Rugeley North Junction 8 Minutes early and sat there for 2hours20minutes because of a points failure. Damn Nationalised railway!
Certainly when I started on the railway at Stourbridge Junction in 1987 under British Rail, the Chargeman was allowed to go on the track to scotch and clip the points thereby saving time until the engineers arrived to fix them. But sadly under the new regime you have to wait for engineers to arrive and repair them.
And again, why dont the bus companies take advantage?
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on August 29, 2017, 12:51:21 AM
Quite:
Usually happens on Sunday. Or if
you're I'm extremely lucky, it will happen on a Monday-Saturday, when the International-Mid Wales/North Wales services call at Smethwick Galton Bridge. I'll automatically disregard the 158 and board the 150 when this happens
150280 is on the 14:09 departure from BHI today
Quote from: Westy on August 31, 2017, 10:31:50 PM
And again, why dont the bus companies take advantage?
Because 99% of the time you can't guarantee what time a points or track circuit failure would occur.
On the Stourbridge line for example, the train will beat the bus most of the time between Stourbridge and Birmingham, especially during the rush hour. Because of traffic problems along the Hagley Road especially during rush hour this will never change.
Went on the 153 on the snow hill line and couldn't help but notice the horrible damp smell in the coach
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 05, 2017, 04:54:16 PM
Went on the 153 on the snow hill line and couldn't help but notice the horrible damp smell in the coach
Can't remember the number but that one's had that fusty, damp smell for at least 7 or 8 years. It's known as the "second hand bookshop" by some passengers!
Any reason why the fare from rugeley Trent valley to Euston return has rocketed by 10 quid on london Midland????
Quote from: Bob on September 25, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
Any reason why the fare from rugeley Trent valley to Euston return has rocketed by 10 quid on london Midland????
Inflation
Inflation?????
Quote from: Bob on September 25, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
Any reason why the fare from rugeley Trent valley to Euston return has rocketed by 10 quid on london Midland????
has it?
Because Virgin set the "any permitted" fare London Midland can alter their fares as they see fit.
It was showing as 38 pound something 2 hrs ago! Now showing as 29 again....
Wolverhampton - Huddersfield has spiked from £29 to £38.10 (using railcard) and it has become a fixed price of £38.10. Was surprised at the price increase. Had a Google search trying to find why some, if not all, train prices increased. However, to no avail, I only got info about the average rise of 2.3% from 2nd January 2017.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 26, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
Wolverhampton - Huddersfield has spiked from £29 to £38.10 (using railcard) and it has become a fixed price of £38.10. Was surprised at the price increase. Had a Google search trying to find why some, if not all, train prices increased. However, to no avail, I only got info about the average rise of 2.3% from 2nd January 2017.
£29.00 is the off-peak return
£38.10 is the anytime return
no increase there
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
£29.00 is the off-peak return
£38.10 is the anytime return
no increase there
Ohh, I see, thanks! I used to book the 07:15-09:26 WVH-HUD and it used to be for £29 return. :/
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 26, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
Ohh, I see, thanks! I used to book the 07:15-09:26 WVH-HUD and it used to be for £29 return. :/
If you can get to Rugeley Trent Valley you can have
£16.25 anytime return to Manchester
£12.70 anytime return Manchester to Huddersfield
which is £10 cheaper than the anytime ticket from Wolverhampton
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 26, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
Ohh, I see, thanks! I used to book the 07:15-09:26 WVH-HUD and it used to be for £29 return. :/
Wouldn't split ticketing be cheaper?
Following a failure at Runcorn this morning journey check is showing the 19.36 Bham-Liverpool 2 cars vice 4, presumably a cl.170.
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
If you can get to Rugeley Trent Valley you can have
£16.25 anytime return to Manchester
£12.70 anytime return Manchester to Huddersfield
which is £10 cheaper than the anytime ticket from Wolverhampton
Thanks for the tip. :)
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
Wouldn't split ticketing be cheaper?
I have tried it on SplitTicketing (Official Site) and it's the same prices unfortunately.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
Wouldn't split ticketing be cheaper?
Don't automatically presume split tickets are cheaper. In general splitting your ticket only saves money if
a) you split journies down into portions of 50 miles or less, so you can use day tickets instead of monthly ones
b) you split where the journey changes from peak to off-peak, so you only pay high peak fares for part of the journey.
There are exceptions, usually fares set by Cross Country because they are such rip off merchants, and you slpit them where the fare becomes priced by another operator. For example try looking at the Anytime fare Birmingham - Newcastle, then look at splitting at Doncaster where you get onto East Coast priced tickets and the saving is incredible.
I saw a modern train on the Walsall Line today, the type that runs the Euston to New Street/Crewe Routes, are these un usual on the Wasall route? how often and when?
Quote from: Kevin2017 on September 26, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
I saw a modern train on the Walsall Line today, the type that runs the Euston to New Street/Crewe Routes, are these un usual on the Wasall route? how often and when?
The class 350s run about half of Walsall-Birmingham-Wolverhampton services
Quote from: mikestone on September 26, 2017, 06:26:10 PM
Following a failure at Runcorn this morning journey check is showing the 19.36 Bham-Liverpool 2 cars vice 4, presumably a cl.170.
Was actually a 350.
Well I only saw the one and they defo dont run weekends either.
The 15.42 Birmingham-Rugeley started from P3 at Walsall yesterday according to RTT. I've never noted a train do that before.
Quote from: Kevin2017 on September 26, 2017, 11:03:30 PM
Well I only saw the one and they defo dont run weekends either.
Correct, they run most of the m-f daytime service
Quote from: mikestone on September 27, 2017, 06:28:29 AM
The 15.42 Birmingham-Rugeley started from P3 at Walsall yesterday according to RTT. I've never noted a train do that before.
Not even physically possible is it? There's buffers on p3 surely?
Quote from: Kevin on September 27, 2017, 07:36:52 AM
Correct, they run most of the m-f daytime service
Not even physically possible is it? There's buffers on p3 surely?
Platform 3 is a through platform and once the line is electrified all Rubenstein will use Platform 3 as they are not electrifying Platform 1
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2017, 08:37:00 AM
Platform 3 is a through platform and once the line is electrified all Rubenstein will use Platform 3 as they are not electrifying Platform 1
So what happens if theres a problem then?
What is platform 1 to be used for then?
Quote from: Westy on September 27, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
So what happens if theres a problem then?
What is platform 1 to be used for then?
Platform 1 won't normally be used. All trains towards Rugeley will use 3, all trains towards Birmingham will use 2
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2017, 01:34:21 PM
Platform 1 won't normally be used. All trains towards Rugeley will use 3, all trains towards Birmingham will use 2
Didn't realise platform 3 was a through platform, guess that happened recently?
Rather bizzare set up then, trains crossing over before and after the station.
Doesn't that restrict any future growth? Any proposed increase in frequency will just result in tighter turn around times or the potential for trains to be blocking a platform, or would all trains become through services?
Quote from: Kevin on September 27, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
Didn't realise platform 3 was a through platform, guess that happened recently?
Rather bizzare set up then, trains crossing over before and after the station.
Doesn't that restrict any future growth? Any proposed increase in frequency will just result in tighter turn around times or the potential for trains to be blocking a platform, or would all trains become through services?
Yes I think it will be restrictive. Apparently the two signal Gantries between Pleck and Walsall on the slow lines would have to be replaced to allow electrification of the slow lines.
The aim is to have two trains an hour continuing north which eliminates the one train that currently sits in Platform 3 for 40 minutes each hour, but the other two trains an hour will have to arrive and depart in the 30 min gaps between the through trains. Freights will still be able to use 1 and '4' to keep them out of the way
So if they do want to increase the frequency Brum to Walsall (previously heard mention of 6tph) they'll have problems
And then what of any proposed Wolverhampton direct service?
Quote from: Kevin on September 27, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
So if they do want to increase the frequency Brum to Walsall (previously heard mention of 6tph) they'll have problems
And then what of any proposed Wolverhampton direct service?
The line is signalled so that terminators can arrive in 3 continue up to the next signal and come back into 2 which is what I suspect they might do will all trains.
I only found out about the slow lines not being electrified from a friend at Network Rail. The other odd decision is they are putting the new neutral sections in at Pleck. This is helpful from the North as it means in the event of them having to switch the power off around Bescot/Tame Bridge they will still be able to run a Walsall-Rugeley electric service, but if for any reason the power has to be switched off between Walsall and Rugeley it will take out Walsall-Pleck, so wires down at Cannock stop the Birmingham-Walsall trains!
I trust they will install ticket gates!
.
Quote from: mikestone on September 27, 2017, 04:35:45 PM
I trust they will install ticket gates!
.
Imagine how much revenue they'd get if they actually checked the tickets on that line
What happened on the Birmingham to Walsall line yesterday that led to almost every rush hour train being cancelled??
Quote from: Bob on September 27, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
What happened on the Birmingham to Walsall line yesterday that led to almost every rush hour train being cancelled??
Tragic incident:
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/2017/09/27/girl-14-dies-after-being-hit-by-train-in-walsall/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/2017/09/27/girl-14-dies-after-being-hit-by-train-in-walsall/)
724am Landywood to Birmingham 12 mins late....every day the peak hour trains on this route are late it's such a s##t service!
17 mins late in the event....the 1712 from new st should be in Landywood in around 2 mins....its just left Walsall!
Quote from: Bob on September 28, 2017, 05:46:47 PM
17 mins late in the event....the 1712 from new st should be in Landywood in around 2 mins....its just left Walsall!
Yes, damn Nationised Railway delaying nice privatised train companies
A London Midland Class 350 has derailed at West Allerton. (http://"http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/train-derail-liverpool-south-parkway-13729745?service=responsive")
From what's been said over on RailUK, it was on an empty stock movement, I think back down to Crewe but I could be wrong on that one.
Shunt from platform 4 to platform 3.
My dad was caught up in that
LM just abandoned their passengers with no word on how to get home
VT laid on taxis/buses/whatever they could get their hands on to Warrington where their London trains were diverted to, then went out of their way to lay on a taxi for those few Brum passengers that came this way in a hope of getting close to home. He got home at 1am
VT 1 - LM 0
Quote from: Kevin on October 07, 2017, 12:34:14 PM
My dad was caught up in that
LM just abandoned their passengers with no word on how to get home
VT laid on taxis/buses/whatever they could get their hands on to Warrington where their London trains were diverted to, then went out of their way to lay on a taxi for those few Brum passengers that came this way in a hope of getting close to home. He got home at 1am
VT 1 - LM 0
LM have a replacement bus service between Liverpool South Parkway and Crewe, according to their Twitter feed. I'm guessing that wasn't there last night?
The 1.42 is stuck at new street with a fault. If they don't get it running again will they leave a train missing for the rest of service or send a replacement from tyseley? Coming back on the 7pm from cannock later for night out....i hope it's not this train scheduled to run it...
Quote from: DJ98 on October 07, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
LM have a replacement bus service between Liverpool South Parkway and Crewe, according to their Twitter feed. I'm guessing that wasn't there last night?
Probably left empty as no one was told about it
It's ok is running now about 15 min late
Aman's YD17WXU was in use at lunchtime - quite why LM can't go to Runcorn escapes me - when I left fifteen minutes later there was quite a number waiting for the next to turn up.
Rammed 1742 service delayed due to fault...same fault that delayed it on sat. If this is cancelled it will be horrific at 6.12! I would bet anyrhing that its the same unit from sat
It got cancelled and then the 6.12 was short with TWO carriages. Absolute carnage people shouting and angry on pkatform with dozens left behind. Pathetic
Yesterday the 16:20 train from rugeley TV to brum was cancelled due to a missing member of the train crew also the train after that claimed to have arrived on the timetable board 20 mins before arrival
Are the 150s staying for the new franchise after all?
According to correspondence on the ORR website the Coventry-Leamington service is now going to be worked by a cl.172.
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http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/25811/london-midland-reply-chiltern-2017-10-06.pdf
Maybe thatll free up a 153 to attach to the horrendously overcrowded first train from rugeley ( the one the MP had the publicity shot on) and the 4.42 from new st...2 carriages are woefully inadequate and with extra amazon workers on will be even more so
Quote from: mikestone on October 30, 2017, 07:52:08 AM
Are the 150s staying for the new franchise after all?
No, they are off to Northern.
Pity they couldnt send 3 170s there instead and utilise the sprinters on the chase line till electrification. Far better suited to commuter services than 170s
Quote from: Bob on November 07, 2017, 04:22:00 PM
Maybe thatll free up a 153 to attach to the horrendously overcrowded first train from rugeley ( the one the MP had the publicity shot on) and the 4.42 from new st...2 carriages are woefully inadequate and with extra amazon workers on will be even more so
It won't because there wasn't a spare 153 in the first place. The aim is for the 16:42 to be 3 cars from May 18 though I believe
Tbe first train in the morning is bad. What a crap situation when there isnt even 1 spare bloody carriage.....
Im sure tyseley could have thrown out a 3 car in BR days...with way more seating than todays efforts...in fact they often did
Quote from: Bob on November 07, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Im sure tyseley could have thrown out a 3 car in BR days...with way more seating than todays efforts...in fact they often did
It was an hourly two car from Walsall to Hednesford in those days requiring all of two carriages. The current morning services is 2x4car, 1x3car, 1x2car, a total of 13 or a 650% Increase
Theres photos of 3 cars from those days operating the route. Point being that had they needed one theyd have been able to supply it
Check london midlands twitter account Tony and any comments about the Chase Line. Youd be hard pressed to find a single satisfied passenger
Quote from: Bob on November 07, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Check london midlands twitter account Tony and any comments about the Chase Line. Youd be hard pressed to find a single satisfied passenger
Check the trains and see how many of them have tickets
Quote from: Bob on November 07, 2017, 11:44:06 PM
Check london midlands twitter accountTony and any comments about the Chase Line. Youd be hard pressed to find a single satisfied passenger
I bet they find it really irritating to have to repeat 'we're using all available diesel stock'
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 08, 2017, 06:26:33 PM
I bet they find it really irritating to have to repeat 'we're using all available diesel stock'
Twitter is there for the angry. The amount of people complaining on there are probably less than 0.1% of users.
In BR days Tyseley would send out whatever would actually work just to get a unit on the line whether it be a two or three car unit, and quite often it didn't work leaving big gaps in the service while Bescot found a driver to rescue it with a loco.
Now, Tyseley has to get 13 carriages out (up from 12 last week as the 07:10 from Rugeley is now booked 4 not 3 as it was until October) and does nearly every day, I think I have suffered two failed to operate this year due to unit failure, and there is a lot more to go wrong, like doors, now. The new Franchise intends to have 16 cars out as soon as possible, but that isn't possible immediately. I have been using the line for 25 years now and the current service is best I have know for actual commuting, although I still miss the through service to Stafford that Central Trains had for a time for my days out.
I honestly dont remember those 1st gen units being that bad ! Certainly more comfortable especially if you got a 115
I am beginning to get totally p***ed off with LM the number and variety of excuses and
tricks is unbelievable at times.. it took me 1hr and 23mins to travel from Euston to New st
(virgin) so how long do I need to wait for a cross city line on a weekday? and from which
platform? pure guesswork due to the habit of occupying several (if not all)platforms 9-12
with DMU 170 units ditched on arrival and waiting for shunters. The 21.35pm X city to LTV
is a classic On Thursday it was billed as 11 mins late @platform 7. this increased in increments of 3-4 mins and subsequently arrived at 21.56pm. the 6 car 323 unit was held (As expected) for another 8 mins as LM invariably 'lose' a service if favour of the next one(10.05pm) Apprx 50 passengers were then shunted to the scheduled platform 9a whereupon
we were met with a static 170 unit which the controllers must have known about..after another 10 mins were were shunted back to platform 6. for a late running 10.05 to LTV
Needless to say the original 6 car 323 left for Lichfield MT stock before the (now) 10.18pm departure. I for one will be glad to see the back of this company
Quote from: Bob on November 08, 2017, 08:30:30 PM
I honestly dont remember those 1st gen units being that bad ! Certainly more comfortable especially if you got a 115
First generations DMU's were,so far as I'm concerned,reliable units. Where I grew up it was mostly the Class 117 units with occasionally a Class 119,and also we had the Class 210 units as well. The neighbouring Chiltern line was home to the Class 115 units on which I travelled very rarely unless it was from West Ruislip into Marylebone as an alternative to the Central line. Unbelievable how it's now twenty five years since the old guard was replaced by the Turbo units.
Another poor day for L M , their web-site informs us of delays at Ledbury and advises customers to use National Express West Midland buses . . . . . .. . . . :o
Pretty standard for all TOCs to just cut and paste a standard list of routes in these circumstances, without reference to actual location, time or day of the week.
Is it just me, or do all the 350s leaving New Street on the Wolverhampton locals announce that the next stop is Birmingham New Street, while they're half way to Smethwick Rolfe Street? Happened on the one I caught just under an hour ago and I remember it happening in the past too.
They work on GPS, so if the CIS is still set up for the inward working they will make the appropriate announcement for that.
Travelled on the northern section of the X city this afternoon. When I left the unit noticed that the coachside 'London Midland' vinyls were missing on at least the last 2 coaches. All that was visible were the outlines of where the vinyls had been. Were they coincidentally missing or had they been deliberately removed in preparation for the new franchise operator branding? Thoughts?
Quote from: RW on November 24, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
Travelled on the northern section of the X city this afternoon. When I left the unit noticed that the coachside 'London Midland' vinyls were missing on at least the last 2 coaches. All that was visible were the outlines of where the vinyls had been. Were they coincidentally missing or had they been deliberately removed in preparation for the new franchise operator branding? Thoughts?
A lot of them do have the logos missing anyway but as it's not long now till the new franchise they probably have started to remove old logos
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 24, 2017, 05:31:26 PM
A lot of them do have the logos missing anyway but as it's not long now till the new franchise they probably have started to remove old logos
Could be a start with debranding, think they removed all references to London Midland from Penkridge station last week, certainly was missing from all signs and notices when I was there last Wednesday.
Majority of December to May timetables are up. The exclusion of the Leamington - Coventry workings is disappointing if not expected
Does the 150 still operate on Worcester line?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 05, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
Does the 150 still operate on Worcester line?
Tuesday afternoon, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Fridays it is booked. On Inspection Monday and Tuesday morning
Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Tuesday afternoon, Wednesdays, Thursdays & Fridays it is booked. On Inspection Monday and Tuesday morning
Cheers Tony for this information
London midland is slowly dying. The logos have been removed from the zone maps, and now the announcement have no mention of London Midland
Quote from: Dom on December 06, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
London midland is slowly dying. The logos have been removed from the zone maps, and now the announcement have no mention of London Midland
I wouldn't worry, their logo still adorns the new timetables....
No its far more farcical than that - both companies have produced leaflets!!
The new ones refer to www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk but that doesn't appear to be live yet.
London Midland website is saying that from Sunday it will link into another website automatically. The app has now been deleted from the Apple App Store and will no longer be supported from Sunday.
"The moments London Midland passengers will not forget" - BBC looks back at the London Midland franchise:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42284721
Sorry for reviving this old thread, but does anyone know what typeface London Midland used for their old logo and other things like signage? Thanks.